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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I despise Trump. I want him to lose. This kind of "journalism" needs to die so that the real stories about him don't get buried by half truths and lies. Trump says enough shitty, faschist things that we don't need to twist his words like this.

Trump said that he hates paying people overtime so, if they're getting close to overtime, he brings other people in. He does what every business does and implements shifts. He didn't say that he screws people out of overtime pay for time they worked. He avoids overtime pay by bringing in a new shift of workers.

How often Trump stiffs his employees and contractors for real is a good story. This story is essentially a lie that attempts to portray Trump badly but really only makes "the left" look bad.

Don't lie and ruin the credibility of left-leaning media. Use the real ammo that Trump drops like bread crumbs everywhere he goes.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Him screwing over workers IS journalism that works against him. His bullshit "man of the people" shtick and trying to reform the GOP as pro-labor is in direct contrast to him screwing people over.

Christ, you need to take a break.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know that he does screw over employees, but how is that the case in this circumstance? He is sending workers home before they hit overtime and bringing in a different shift of workers. Every business does that. Every business attempts to minimize the amount of overtime that they pay. In fact, that's the point of overtime laws, to disincentivize working employees too many hours.

I'm not defending him as a person. I'm saying this is shitty journalism that just gives him something additional to point at when he says that the media lies about him. We shouldn't be giving him that ammo.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations, the national trade union center known as AFL-CIO, said in response, "This isn’t a gaffe and he didn’t just misspeak — Trump said this in Michigan on Friday and Pennsylvania today. Trump cut overtime for millions of Americans as President — and his Project 2025 agenda will do it again."

That says it all. It's right there in the article. Now, if you're saying its "totally legal, and totally cool" what he's doing and admitting to, then that's your own opinion. A fuck ton of other absolutely hate it and think it's bullshit, which validates this reporting being out there.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Again, let me preface this by saying that I do not like Trump and think that he is terrible for the country. I'm just saying that he says enough awful shit that we don't need to twist the truth or lie.

Okay, two things here. First, the statement that Trump "cut overtime for millions of Americans as President" has been rated as "Mostly False" by PolitiFact.

PolitiFact ruling: Mostly False. When contacted for comment, the Harris-Walz campaign pointed to news articles showing that former President Barack Obama proposed to extend overtime pay eligibility to more workers, but a judge blocked it in November 2016, just before it was slated to take effect. The Trump administration did not challenge the judge’s ruling and instead set its own overtime rule, which extended overtime pay to millions fewer people than Obama’s rule would have done.

The Obama rule was not in effect at the time Trump took office, so Trump’s administration did not cut an existing benefit.

Second, that's not even what this article is about. This is about him saying the following:

I know a lot about overtime. I hated to give overtime. I hated it. I'd get ... I shouldn't say this ... I'd get other people in. I wouldn't pay. I hated it.

So, what does he say there? He hated paying overtime so he would bring in new people to take over the work. He didn't stiff them. He sent them home after working a full shift and brought in new people to take over.

Now, he may have (probably did) stiff workers in other ways. This is not evidence of that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Now, he may have (probably did) stiff workers in other ways.

He had an immense reputation for this for his whole career as a "businessman". ^[1] ^[2]