Trump is winning all these states and look at the percentages. How?
Edit: many news agency are calling PA for Trump. So we are truly fucked.
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Democracy dies in broad daylight, it turns out.
Everyone who voted for Trump knew exactly what they did. Everyone who didn't show up to effectively vote against him had every way of knowing exactly what they were doing as well.
No excuses. This is America. Maybe they just hate women. Maybe they simply love fascism. Doesn't matter. This is who they are.
The next years will be a fight unlike anything. And no matter how hard the better angels of American society fights, it will still be a tragedy unlike anything we can currently imagine.
Unfortunately, I think a lot of Trump voters believe they were voting for a better economy when not only is the opposite true, it is bundled with so many more negative features. These voters deserve every negative thing that is about to happen to them. "I didn't think they were going to eat my face!" Unfortunately, the rest of us are going to get caught up in this as well.
You grossly overestimate how intelligent/informed the average American voter is. I really don't think they know what they've done, are doing or what is being done to them.
I'd really like to know how many people didn't hear Trump call Brad Raffensperger and try to get him to throw the election. I'm shocked anyone could listen to that and think it's OK to give him power again regardless of their position on any of the issues.
It’s beyond clear they have no idea or are 100% complicit, there is no middle ground. Our country is absolutely fucking retarded. We are doomed
I hope you bought your guns, beans, and gasoline.
This has nothing to do with intelligence, but everything to do with selfish entitlement.
Nah, if you actively deny climate change, you're unintelligent
They are absolutely 100% unintelligent, I never claimed otherwise. Still they know what the science says, they just refuse to acknowledge it over their stupid religious faith.
Being an idiot doesn't mean you are uninformed on very basic issues.
Every single one of these idiots have been presented with the facts at some point. They just refuse to accept fact.
The pandemic wasn't that long ago, that experience settled any debate as to how ill informed the average citizen is. Most of the people voting are actively working against their own interests. There is a minority who benefit from the bad policy, the majority inevitably suffer. That has been the state of affairs since (at least) the Reagan era.
Every antivaxer knows the Science shows vaccines work, they just refuse to accept science, and claim it's a conspiracy, because they are religious fanatics, that refuse to accept anything that counter their religion.
I've claimed for 20 years that USA as a nation is mentally ill. They celebrate individualism and freedom to a point where sociopathy has become a virtue, because zero moral standards means ultimate freedom. Then they replace their lack of moral standards with arbitrary pseudo moral standards from the bible.
That's the problem, not that they are uninformed.
Having debated a couple who are quite intelligent otherwise, I'm going to have to dispute that.
Sure, they know broadly that exposing the immune system to something that looks like a pathogen primes it to respond to that pathogen in the future, but they tend to be way off on the implications. I've heard it suggested that too many vaccines cause people to run out of immune memory. I've heard that all antibodies cause inflammation. I've heard that previous attempts to produce coronavirus vaccines killed the majority of test subjects years later.
None of those claims are true, and the only way they could be true is if everyone in the field of immunology is lying all the time.
I never said they know how, but they know the scientists know, but they won't acknowledge science for the reasons I mentioned.
Every single one of these idiots have been presented with the basic facts, and know them, they simply won't accept facts over their beliefs.
The point is they have been INFORMED. So they you can't call them uninformed.
America is just a big truck with it's high beams on and nuts hanging from the hitch.
Oh, the tragedy.
No, inside USA you are not going to have that much pain. Outside is where it'll suck, but then I'm not sure how that is different from the other scenario.
It's just another Trump term, you've already had that once.
Bruh, people are dying from lack of abortion access, thats already a cause of the first trump term. Excess deaths from mishandling covid by the trump administration is estimated to be in the hundreds of thousands
Oh, so that couldn't be solved in 4 years, right? It surely would be different if the people who were in power these 4 years would get another try?
COVID - yeah. But there are countries with not right-wing governments in 2020 that mishandled it just as badly. So that "yeah" is not a full-weight "yeah", it's a 90% yeah.
OK, I don't really have arguments. The thing is - if the people who just lost would take actual measures, I would. Real action is always destructive and unpopular. They played it safely and lost.
There are sometimes "no good choices" situations, I just don't understand all this whining, it's not like this is good news for anyone, but it has already happened. Brace for impact and all that.