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[–] [email protected] 86 points 4 days ago (5 children)

No they won't.

Trump just said that he's going to impose tariffs that are going to increase the cost of living by about $400 a month per family. Elon Musk just said he plans on imposing "hardship" on the country for a few years. And Americans voted ovewhelmingly in favor of that. The economy will tank, yes. But they'll just blame Democrats and the voters will eat it up.

Don't believe me? gestures at Tuesday.

That's assuming we have another election at all. Trump -- A man, remember, that has repeatedly said that terminating the Constitution was on the table -- now has the White House, both branches of government, a supreme court largely appointed by him, and several state governments. Moderate republicans have been successfully rooted out or marginalized. Trump could very well follow through on that promise, backdropped by the thunderous applause of the other two branches of government.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The trend is that when the economy is bad for the average person, it hurts the incumbent.

I don't think the people whose votes swung the election in Trump's favor know how tariffs work or what policies Musk has in mind. They don't even know why eggs are expensive (bird flu); they just know things were cheaper last time Trump was president.

Of course that's assuming there's a free and fair election next time around.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

And these goldfish forgot that gas prices were low because of a botched COVID response that way, way reduced demand and rocketed back up because we all got out of lockdown and demand went back to normal, at least that was partly why the prices went up.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Price-gouging had a lot to do with it too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

This is the answer. Corporations were quite giddy over this, in fact.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Complaining that people don't know how economics work and that they have the memory of a goldfish is like complaining that knights move weird in chess.

These are the rules of the game we're trying to win. Whining about how stupid everyone is doesn't change the fact that we need to get stupid people to vote.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

A bit of that, a bit of ordinary inflation, and a bit of Putin's war. I find it unlikely the current president had reasonable options to prevent any of that.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And Americans voted ovewhelmingly in favor of that.

I really hate that I'm seeing this everywhere. Americans overwhelmingly didn't vote. Yes, according to math that means they voted for Trump, but why they didn't bother to vote is a lot more important. Yes, that means they're responsible for what happens, but if Democrats can't get people to vote for them how do they expect to win?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If Democrats can't point at a fascist and say, "Look, I'm running against a literal fascist. You and I may disagree on some things, but we all know fascists are bad" while Trump aligns himself with other autocrats and fascists, then what is even happening in this world? We failed ourselves on election day. Trump has made himself known. A majority of voters picked him, and they collectively either completely ignored reality for the last decade or decided they're on board with his vision. The party isn't to blame, when the alternative was so foul. People chose this, whether through ignorance or malice. Make no mistake, both made an appearance

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Not voting is the same thing as voting for a Republican. The odds are already stacked against any progressive candidate because conservatives are more willing to open their wallets to corporate donors. Non-voters are traitors just the same. They failed to accept their civic duty.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

I already had a trucker come into work saying the Dems have been propping up the economy and it'll fail for God-Emperor Cheeto. Already making excuses.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Suspending or terminating the Constitution by the federal government is definitely a good reason for secession if I've ever seen one. I hope California and other such states are thinking hard about their future here. That would be the last act of the United states.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Oh, I'm not saying it would be a good idea by any stretch of the imagination. Secessions would be the least we'd have to worry about.

I'm just saying that in a world where Trump has seriously and repeatedly suggested it, his voting base has actively said they're OK with it, and all 3 branches are firmly and securely in his pocket, Trump going so far as to actually suspending the Constitution is a very, very real possibility. Especially if he's being advised by an administration stacked from top to bottom with Trump yes-men and crazies that make Qanon conspiracy theorists seem sane.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 days ago

Nah bad economy means the incumbent gets kicked out.

Happens every time