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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago

We'll see. Right now we are in an UNBELIEVABLY good economy and I keep hearing - even from so-called leftists and centrists - just how terrible the economy is, etc., etc.

Yes, maybe white collar jobs have softened somewhat, starting in 2022, party because some of Big Tech overhired, but seriously, look at the various indicators....it's almost all good.

Contrast this market with the dot-com bubble burst, or the 2008 fallout from banks fucking around with subprime markets. Just what is so bad about this economy?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

We're a seesaw government now with both parties captured by corporations. Each party will take turns as the world turns to shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 43 minutes ago

That's how it's been for basically decades

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago

The Democrats won't win until and unless they grow a spine. This is not a situation where genteel institutionalists are needed: we need people with principles, discipline, drive and focus, who won't stop fighting until the corruption is completely rooted out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Republican voters turn out for anyone with an R.

Reality doesn't matter to the cult.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

You don't vote fascism away. This is why it was so important for the DNC to listen this time around.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Democrats are NOT leftists, they're center right at best. They ultimately serve corporate interests and NOT the will of the people.

You will never get universal healthcare, police reform, free college, less military spending, and other leftist ideals from the Democrat party because they're not leftists. Doing these things runs counter to the interests of their corporate masters.

We have a fascist party and a conservative party, but we don't actually have a liberal party. We haven't had one since before Clinton.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

We don't need a liberal party. We need a party that serves the interests of people, not corporations and oligarchs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 minutes ago

We needed Bernie.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 40 minutes ago

We need a labor party.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Democrats are NOT leftists, they’re center right at best.

Americans are NOT leftists, they're center right at best.

Edit: Also, everyone loves to blame Democrats for turning conservative after Jimmy Carter, but have you looked at the election results from 1980? 1984? 1988?

You run to represent the population you have, not the one you wish for.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

No they won't.

Trump just said that he's going to impose tariffs that are going to increase the cost of living by about $400 a month per family. Elon Musk just said he plans on imposing "hardship" on the country for a few years. And Americans voted ovewhelmingly in favor of that. The economy will tank, yes. But they'll just blame Democrats and the voters will eat it up.

Don't believe me? gestures at Tuesday.

That's assuming we have another election at all. Trump -- A man, remember, that has repeatedly said that terminating the Constitution was on the table -- now has the White House, both branches of government, a supreme court largely appointed by him, and several state governments. Moderate republicans have been successfully rooted out or marginalized. Trump could very well follow through on that promise, backdropped by the thunderous applause of the other two branches of government.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

And Americans voted ovewhelmingly in favor of that.

I really hate that I'm seeing this everywhere. Americans overwhelmingly didn't vote. Yes, according to math that means they voted for Trump, but why they didn't bother to vote is a lot more important. Yes, that means they're responsible for what happens, but if Democrats can't get people to vote for them how do they expect to win?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Not voting is the same thing as voting for a Republican. The odds are already stacked against any progressive candidate because conservatives are more willing to open their wallets to corporate donors. Non-voters are traitors just the same. They failed to accept their civic duty.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The trend is that when the economy is bad for the average person, it hurts the incumbent.

I don't think the people whose votes swung the election in Trump's favor know how tariffs work or what policies Musk has in mind. They don't even know why eggs are expensive (bird flu); they just know things were cheaper last time Trump was president.

Of course that's assuming there's a free and fair election next time around.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

And these goldfish forgot that gas prices were low because of a botched COVID response that way, way reduced demand and rocketed back up because we all got out of lockdown and demand went back to normal, at least that was partly why the prices went up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Price-gouging had a lot to do with it too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago

This is the answer. Corporations were quite giddy over this, in fact.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Complaining that people don't know how economics work and that they have the memory of a goldfish is like complaining that knights move weird in chess.

These are the rules of the game we're trying to win. Whining about how stupid everyone is doesn't change the fact that we need to get stupid people to vote.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Suspending or terminating the Constitution by the federal government is definitely a good reason for secession if I've ever seen one. I hope California and other such states are thinking hard about their future here. That would be the last act of the United states.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 10 hours ago (9 children)

Having elected a fascist autocrat, who already prepared the way by having the supreme court declare him above the law. Living in the country with the most militarized police, a nation with a massive capability to spy on it's own citizens, citizens who have little critical thinking capability to begin with. A society where social media creates the reality those poorly educated citizens live in, and social media is owned by oligarchs who benefit from a system where pleasing one narcissistic leader gives them power over regulators and increases their wealth more rapidly. I think people are a little optimistic to believe we can't call the next election today.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Big difference between this and 2016 is JD Vance is the adult, not Mike Pence. His ties to Peter Thiel is scary. Also we just had a billionaire buy votes, no way that is going to stop now.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 hours ago (6 children)

Ding ding ding! This is the right answer folks. US citizens will be lucky to get fair elections (if at all) for the foreseeable future. There is no counterweight to what lies ahead, the doors to hell have been opened and no one is coming to save you. If you are in the US, you have the following choices: leave, survive (read: assimilate or hide), or fight.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I'll fight. There's a line that I draw: if they start deporting legal immigrants I will be a domestic terrorist, just like the GOP

Strange, I can't find a picture of the banner that said exactly that at cpac. Just like the GOP said, nah I'm just kidding

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

Starting to think this might be the beginning of the incumbent disadvantage as both parties continue to put up unpopular candidates that fail to address the systemic economic issues plaguing the country.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 hours ago (13 children)

Historically, fascist governments are voted in.

They're never voted out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

But they also seldom last long until they're overthrown.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Mussolini had power for 21 years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago

Franco for 36, though he took power by coup not votes.

And Orbán had 18 so far and 2 remaining from this term for a more recent example.

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