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And we shouldn't allow this concept to go unchallenged here on Lemmy.

Commenting on an active post is not brigading

Posting a link to something is not brigading

Commenting on something you were linked to is not brigading

The only thing that might be brigading, but isn't because it isn't a real thing, is someone explicitly going, "Hey everyone, go here and harass this person"

It's all fine and good that we have some new rules to keep the peace with other instances but we must fight against reddit-logo brainworms

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Their culture is so snarky and anti-collaboration, they get pissy with each other nearly as much as they do with us, and they don't engage any differently in either case. I really do feel bad for these people who are trapped in the atomized, all against all social paradigm of the new internet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So much of the 'brigading' is just comrades pointing out and challenging racism or bigotry and agreeing that a reactionary is racist or bigoted. I think its this kind of collaboration that comes off as so offensive to them sometimes; it's not something that any of us have to argue about, so it might always come off as co-ordinated to those who are used to saying whatever tf they like without consequence. Must be strange to be challenged when it's acceptable to be a a conservative or a 'progressive' and a POS throughout most of the western world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What would it be like living in a world where anyone who dared to voice bigotry or misogyny or transphobia was immediately dogpiled by everyone around them? Like someone makes a bigoted comment in the grocery store and everyone around starts yelling at them and calling over the rest of the grocery to yell at them? Sure, witchhunts, whatever but god it would be nice living a world where if you encountered a bigot or a fascist or a cop everyone would pile in to help you without having to be asked or having to think about it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

i just want to be able to call the gender stasi when some transphobe starts shit 😔

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

they get pissy with each other nearly as much as they do with us, and they don't engage any differently in either case

I'm still new to Hexbear and this has been the biggest striking difference for me coming from liberal spaces. I've seen multiple arguments on hexbear, and honestly, I had a hard time at first seeing that they were civil disagreements and not just jokes.

Edit: I think maybe because in the liberal spaces, to open up like that in good faith is just an invitation to get shit on for going outside the norm. Whereas here you'll get engaged with in good faith and it's just a much more positive experience that actually allows for civil disagreement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here you can generally assume people will engage with intellectual honesty and intellectual curiosity, not just to "win" an argument but to have a real exchange of ideas that results in potentially both people benefiting. Everything isn't a debate and every conversation does not have a winner and a loser, the goal everyone has here is generally for everyone to be better off.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Goofy emojis help, as does the anti-debatelord logout culture

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I really like not having a downvote button. Keeps the cowards from downvoting and feeling like that did something. Debate your opinion nerds, don't hide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we do have the downvote emoji downbear

but it's a comment instead of an actual downvote, meaning you're making your disagreement publicly instead of anonymously and opening the floor to further discussion.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Long ago in the Second Age when I was posting with Elf kings and Dwarf lords and all that shit from 20+ years ago I always preferred to actually post rather than do something like block a person. I never used chat filter, never blocked a person (unless they were spamming in a video game). I liked it that way. I really appreciated that we got rid of the downvotes here. I tend to like upvotes because it feels like a nice way of saying "heard and acknowledged" to a post but I also like to actually reply with a "nice post!" or "that's funny!" because it feels so much more sincere and engaged.

What I'm trying to say is I genuinely appreciate the 'culture' we have fostered here. It's a nice place. If anybody calls us a bunch of meanies I'd say just look at the mutual aid comm or the way the mods politely remind people to tone it down if things start to get genuinely heated or how we are anti-sectarian.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I kind of wish there was like a "Thumbs up" button only for comments replying to your comment so you could agree to someone in way that showed you didn't have anything further to say. I mostly just use

rat-salute-2

For that, which I guess works well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one's suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one's own inclination. This is a second type.

mao-wave