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Tlaib refuses to apologize for blaming Israel for Gaza hospital blast, attacks Biden
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this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2023
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She's completely unhinged.
Calls for ceasefire so less innocent civilians die...
Called unhinged.
Nice.
"Democratic Reps. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich. and Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., said that Israel is to blame for the hospital explosion in Gaza despite Israel denying fault."
Shes completely unhinged. The facts are irrelevant to her. She will blame and denounce Israel no matter what. She is failing to demonstrate rational thinking.
They both made that statement based on reports at that time. Omar has since retracted that claim after US officials concurred with the evidence, but Tlaib hasn't said anything. Sure, I agree that she should walk back the statement and issue a correction, but I don't think anything about calling for a "ceasefire" is unhinged. It's worth noting that she's also Palestinian. This is an issue that literally hits home for her. I'm happy that she's one of the few that is standing up to support the Palestinian people here, and not just blindly siding with Israel.
So you imply I'm blindly siding with Israel? Who are you talking to? I've stated why I support Israel so far and why Palestinian innocents will die as a result. I argued that calls for a simple ceasefire must be understood as calls to allow more attacks on Israel from Hamas. It is not possible to separate the two. How do you intend to cease fire when one side is chartered to destroy all Jews and Israel? What do you intend to tell Hamas so that they stop? If they say they will stop, what prevents them from biding their time until a future strike on Israel? You and your supporters have so far failed to answer any of these questions. It's because I care about the deaths of innocents, that I cannot support a ceasefire at this time. I don't believe that Palestinians should be spared so that Israelites die in their place.
No, I was implying that most people in Washington are blindly siding with Israel on this matter.
Israel doing a ceasefire doesn't meant they just let Hamas blindly attack, literally no one is saying that. Israel is one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world. They declare a no man's land, they monitor for attacks, and they allow for the evacuation/humanitarian support of Palestinian citizens. America has forces there - they need to help mediate and figure out what the next steps are. Because carpet bombing Gaza is not the acceptable answer.
This is the argument that's been used for years to justify the countless death of Palestinian citizens. Check out the chart below....how one sided it is.
Hamas will simply hide under the guise of civilians and the threat to Israel still remains. There is no solution under a ceasefire, because Hamas has committed to the complete destruction of all Jews and Israel. Israel knows this. So they simply will not stop while Hamas exists, because they believe what Hamas says about their stated mission. It's a nice chart you have showing deaths on each side. But that's a utilitarian argument and I haven't been arguing for the utility of sparing Palestine. What I've said is, Israel has a right to defend themselves, and the actions they take now are taken in the interests of that defense. So long as they are targeting Hamas, I support them. To do otherwise, is to excuse what Hamas did, because Israel has done bad things in the past too. It's irrelevant. Hamas is responsible for their actions, and for the actions they've taken, they deserve the consequences. The best thing Palestinians can do is get out of the way.
So, by your argument, just "glassing" Gaza would be totally acceptable in your eyes? That the deaths of Palestinian people are acceptable collateral damage in an effort to defend themselves from Hamas? I mean, where do you draw the line between killing a few, and full blown genocide?
No, I would not ever support leveling Gaza. And, I note, Israel has not done that. They've declared war on Hamas. Not Palestinians. They're going to incur more deaths to their people when they invade Gaza. They're going to spend that blood making sure Hamas is eliminated, because there is no alternative when facing an enemy committed to your complete destruction. You kill good cells to destroy the cancer in your body.
No one gives a shit that she's a woman or Muslim. People care that she blindly supports Hamas, an actual fucking terrorist organization, and always assumes that Israel is the problem.
she has never said anything about supporting hamas why are you conflating the palestinian people with hamas?
I clearly am not.
Why are you failing to understand a very simple post?
Yeah I thought that was pretty cut and dry
Blindly supports Hamas? Point where she fucking did that at all...ever....in any of her speeches, because I guarantee you that's not true. You're literally making shit up at this point.
This can only be construed as support for Hamas's continued existence, since only invasion will end their autocracy
https://twitter.com/RepRashida/status/1714747806039015899?t=5dw-STP-JjcqoX7PYKiPeA&s=19
I'm struggling to understand your rationale here. The image below from the link that you posted....that's showing support for Hamas? So this really is just a black and white thing for you? It's either support Israel and support their apartheid, almost genocidal approach to killing Gazan people.....or supporting Hamas? Seriously? She's calling for ceasefire so that people aren't needlessly being slaughtered. Maybe figure out a way to help people so that horrific shit like this doesn't happen.
Calling for a ceasefire is not a criticism of past Israeli policy. It is advocacy for the continued existence of Hamas
Calling for a ceasefire is not showing support for Hamas. It's to prevent the needless slaughter of thousands upon thousands of men, woman, and children that have nothing to do with the fight or the issues.
How do you not get that? Or are the deaths of these people just acceptable collateral damage to you?
"Allow these terrorists to invade and massacre you without reprisal, ignoring the geopolitical realities of not responding" is indeed support of terrorists.
Civilians are tragically caught up on Hamas's actions as the aggressor. That's part of why terrorism is so bad.
Friendly reminder that if Hamas did not exist, Palestinians would have their own country for the first time in human history.
Fuck what Hamas did. But that doesn't give Israel the right to displace everyone in Gaza, drop bombs on them with reckless abandon with no regards to if there are innocent people there, and steal their land. Israel's response to this is sickening. I don't support Hamas, but I literally can't support what Israel has done to, and is actively doing to the Gazan people in the name of fighting terrorism.
Friendly reminder that Netanyahu actively sabotaged any peacetalks by literally supporting Hamas. He gave funds inappropriately to Gaza, purposefully knowing that the funds would reach Hamas. He literally fought against peace talks as he didn't want a Gazan state.
You know very well it’s the only army in the world that issues evacuation order to its bombing targets, losing an insane amount of tactical advantage. That’s not what indiscriminate bombing looks like. Check vietnam war footages.
The situation is fucked up from both sides, yes Bibi is a palestinian hating monster. All those things can be true at the same time.
Is it?
Check my next post where I detail how many Palestinian buildings have been destroyed. They gave everyone 24 hours and then just decimated the city. "Accidental rockets, bombs, and missiles are making their way over to civilian populations. Hell. There's a video making the rounds on Reddit about a young, hysterical Palestinian boy who witnessed his friends head explode and his brains splattered on the ground after an Israeli missile.
The IDF and Hamas are no different. Both are committing horrific atrocities. Don't be fooled into thinking that they are morally justified in anything that they are doing right now.
This is a pretty one-sided and inaccurate description of the Israeli response
I am excited at the idea of this tragedy blowing up in Netanyahu's face and ending his career. We agree there
I don't see how this can be anything other than a "justified" land grab. Theyve done this for years. Declared someplace as "state land" kick the Gazans out and then build settlements there (Source). This time, that have all the justification they feel that they need to rush in and take as much as possible - they will 100% never give that land back that they've taken. In order to make it more difficult and futile for Gazans to get their land back, Israel has been destroying Infrastructure there. So far, in their "War on Terror" they've destroyed 22,600 residential units, 90 education facilities, 18 places of worship, 19health centers, 20 ambulances, 70 industrial facilities, and 49 media offices (per United Nations - Oct 13th). Israel is using this war to destroy Gaza, not just Hamas, and it's been supported by people like you.
This is more than just a war on Hamas. This is why people like Tlaib are calling for ceasefires. What's happening to the Gazan people in the name of "Fighting Terrorism" is absolutely criminal.
I can see why you like her, and it's the same reason I am not a fan of you.
Deliberate misrepresentation of facts is indefensible
How am I misrepresenting any facts? Pray tell.
That is literally factual information. You seem to think that Israel is totally justified to do whatever they want and that "the ends justify the means". Wanting to eradicate Hamas does not give Israel carte blanche to just eradicate Gaza.
The misrepresentation is in quoting figures of hospitals, schools, and civilians destroyed without reference to why Israel destroyed them. You have no idea what was happening there or what Israel's military intelligence told them. You know this. Yet you argue against them. It implies your argument is irrelevant itself, because you already have a conclusion and will say anything to argue towards it. It's fallacious. If you cared about convincing others of your cause, you wouldn't need to misrepresent the facts. Instead, you would call for all to verify what you say.
Israel has not leveled Gaza, which any other nation would have done by now. Israel has warned civilians for days now to evacuate to the south. They are starting to allow humanitarian aid. None of this is what you would do if you're there to genocide people.
This is really shitty logic.
So because I was against the war in Afghanistan and wanted us to withdraw I was pro al queda?
I want the war in Ukraine to stop, does that make me pro Russia?
Yes.
K thanks for verifying that you have shitty logic.
I don't care about your opinions because I don't think you're a smart person.
So tough
That's literally how I feel lol