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That shit is a tiny sliver of hyper online weirdos
No. It isn't. I've seen it, personally, from people in my real life, in person. My mom's boyfriend, one of my sister's partners, like half the people my dad invited to his wedding. Carnists love to brag about how much meat they eat. It absolutely is performative for quite a lot of them.
I even have a theory as to why you haven't noticed it (which I admit I could be wrong about). Here's my theory: you're not vegan. Just like cis people often fail to recognize when they're performing gender, carnists often fail to realize that they eat performatively, because it's "normal" and "everyone" acts the same.
Agreed. I've known these people too and I'm unfortunately related to some of them.
But for that particular person you replied to, that can't possibly be because "LE STEAK IS LE DELICIOUS" and anything you say contrary to that is "EMBARRASSING" and you're "TOO ONLINE" if you disagree with them.
The internet and the offline world are not that separated anymore. It's almost impossible to function in contemporary society without an online presence.
What is your goal here, anyway?
To convince my comrades to make better arguments so they’re not so embarrassing.
Being that mad about a perceived threat to your le delicious le steaks is embarrassing to me, as is being this very online about what you are accusing everyone else of being very online about.
comrade, you look like the mad and online one.
I don't play the "u r very online u looser" game.
It's too bad you're making it this personal and vengeful over... what? Carnism?
She's literally been on an anti-vegan crusade for days now. Her comments keep getting removed but nothing changes and no one's threatening her with anything more serious than that. Really sucks.
very hostile of you
I cannot wait for you to be banned.
I admit Im not invested in it as an Ideological issue, although im beginning to see that it is. I'm not doing well right now, at all.
I understand, though it's unavoidable for it to be an ideological issue now.
Even now, I am one of those people that still believes less meat consumption is still a start and that outright complete abolition, while ideal, isn't likely to win over an already fickle general population that's spent generations normalizing the highest meat consumption rates in the world, unprecedentedly. The fact that carnist ideology is so widespread and aggressively entrenched makes an all-or-nothing approach only escalate the defensive reaction toward criticism. It's rough.
Its very true, with meat consumption it become some sort of weird treats based nationalism. Although i'd argue its mostly part of the ruling class or imperial core, and the non beneficiary defenders are the usual outcast exceptions.
thats more or less my position, I see veganism as an ultimate goal, I just have a hard time with the getting there part. To be fairly honest my reaction has mostly been one of surprise, I have never seen any space online or off with any actual vegans. Like any with any ideology or understanding behind them. I've never seen the whole thing as something deserving of a split, just a means to an end, that being a healthy and happy society. If that makes sense.