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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Dude claims to be a Christian, but he’s the one who needs to read his Bible. Half the stuff he espouses doesn’t come from the New Testament.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

A lot of the stuff wingnuts espouse doesn't come from the new testament. They love the fire-and-brimstone, it shall be an abomination unto whatever horseshit from the old testament -- but only the bits and pieces of it that fit their preconceived notions and particular brand of hate.

They also love to blather about the "ten commandments." They can never tell you which set of ten, though. (Because they haven't read the damn book; The list in Exodus is different from the one in Deuteronomy.) None of them seem to be prepared to cite what Big J said about the commandments, either.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm athiest, but spent many years in church, so here's my understanding of why he references the Old testament:

Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. (Matthew 5:17-18) So the Law, which is found in the OT, is still in effect. Each denomination and individual decides for themselves what parts they'll pay attention to.

Many Christians throw out the entire Old Testament, but most just pick and choose which parts they want enforced. They love the 10 commandments, for example. But they also wear mixed fabrics, eat pork & shrimp, and some get tattoos...all of which are forbidden in the OT.

This guy plays Pick & Choose. If it's in the OT and he can use it to make this country a "Biblical Republic", he will use those verses. If it means he can't eat crawfish etouffee, then that verse clearly doesn't matter to him.

The scariest part about this dude is that he interprets everything thru the lens of scripture. And he does not believe the separation of church and state is real.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been saying most of my life that "the" bible is basically a Rorschach blot used for confirmation bias for both liberal xtians and conservative xtians. Many liberals look at the "red letter" portions of the NT and want to dispense with most everything else, including the OT.

The weirdest thing about the NT is why on Earth Paul gets so much prominence. This is a guy who, even according to the narrative, never even met the character of Jesus...and yet, so many xtians seem to lean on things he wrote, even though they contradict things the character of Jesus is made to say in their stories. These people should be called Paulians.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's cus he was a wealthy Roman citizen of the time while the Apostles were mostly poor Palestinians

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The way I have always viewed Christians vs Catholics is that Christians fundamentally believe faith in god is the only requirement. In Catholicism it is not enough to believe, but they believe that good deads are required, hence Catholic guilt. In that way, Christians don't really care about the new testament and the teachings of jesus, believe in god is all they require to be good Christians.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Interesting take. I grew up Catholic, Sunday school yada yada. That guilt.. that is some fucked up shit to put into a child.

But as you put it, Christians are far more insufferable and a significant reason why I changed my faith.

And please spare me how the Catholic Church is somehow king of pedo. Every Christian sect is rife with them. If you care about your kids stay away from them all. You can give them a better handle on ethics and mortality with some basic cartoons. And they'll probably enjoy them rather than groan at the stupid outdated biblical shit you want to make them learn.

Yeah, I'm biased but i stand by that statement.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know Catholics are Christians, right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, but in the US you have Catholics and all the various sects that fractured from the Catholic church, i.e. Christians who don't follow the pope. They all follow Christianity, which makes them all Christians, but whether they focus on Jesus Christ and the New Testament or focus on god and the Old Testament is where the distinction lies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, the more appropriate thing to say would be, "Catholics vs other Christians."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Correct, again its just been my experience that non-catholic Christians will generally refer to themselves as Christians and Catholics will call themselves Catholics over saying they are Christian, at least in the US.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Them catholics sure like to dig around for something to assuage their 'guilt' inside little boy holes.