They call him a traitor for adhering to the constitutional laws that the nation is governed by? These people say words without ever stopping to think of what they actually mean.
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"they call us that all the time so it must be really bad! HEY PENCE YOU TRAITOR!"- Jan 6 rioters, definitely.
I think their words are accurate, it's just that their allegiance isn't to the United States of America.
I saw a truck yesterday covered in Trump/Pence bumper stickers with the Pence crossed out. They weren't old ones from the last election either. These people are dangerous if they won't compromise within their own party.
"I never thought the leopards would eat MY face!" - guy who accepted a position as VP of the Leopards Eating People's Faces candidate
Pence deserves every bit of this that he gets. He propped up the bile and hatred when it supported him gaining power. Now that he faces the ire and wrath of those same people I can only feel schadenfreude.
Yep. He appears to be doing the right thing (or at least not the wrong thing) now, and at the very end of his term, but that doesn't remove all the harm he's done, including before he was VP. He's a bad person who's done bad things, but he did them in the name of Christianity, so the Christian right followed him. They've mostly now abandoned him for openly Christo-fascists, who mostly don't care about the lessons the Bible teaches ironically.
How do you deprogram an entire political party? Serious question. These people have been living in a delusional parallel universe ever since "Hillary Clinton murdered Vince Foster" and that was 30 years ago now.
30 years of lies, spite and bile.
More than 30 years, sadly. There's a great book called Bring the War Home by Kathleen Belew.
In Vietnam, racist pieces of shit were angry that they had to fight with black people. As you can imagine, they were assholes about it. Couple that with terrible conditions, and they built this persecution fantasy about how the political elite abandoned them to the jingles to die (and made them eat with black people, how dare), so when they came home they lied about pretty much everything to their troglodyte friends and families, and passed these persecution fantasies down to their children.
Now these same people run training camps throughout the US for urban warfare, because their fantasy includes "bringing the war home" to the US so the us normies have to experience the made up trauma that they decided to pretend they had, plus all the actual trauma.
You can go back to pretty much any instance of reality and find a small subset that is actively deluded. The issue now is that they all found each other, and are working in concert. It's a gordian knot.
I like your comment, but autocorrect changing 'jungles' to 'jingles' has really cracked me up.
re-establishing the Fair Reporting Act would do a lot to help by stemming the tide of the likes of Fox News, Newsman and OANN, not to mention a long list of AM and satellite radio stations that blast fascist propaganda 24/7
Yes please, yesterday if possible.
Step one is recognizing Fox News, Newsmax, Salem Media, etc as propaganda channels.
Easiest would probably be to start from scratch, but the crazies inhabiting the corpse of the old, abandoned party won't go away. That'll be hard work. But I doubt they want to get rid of them, they made them after all. It's just that Pence is burned and won't get their favour again (which is probably a good thing, he's not exactly a sane person. Just differently crazy).
They're not protestors they're nazi's that sympathize with other nazi's.
Drive through the wrong parts of NH and the houses draped in let's go Brandon, don't tread on me, fuck Biden, Trump 2024, flag bullshit is scary. It's frightening how many cultists they're are out there
Fascists
I'm glad we can finally call it what it is. In 2016, I would say that and liberals would try to argue that is more complicated than that and not everyone... And I'd just get pissed, because it was obviously fascist, but people weren't ready to understand, or accept that as even possible. Distance in time from a real fascist threat also makes people less sensitive to that reality...
Well said.
For decades people in the west have wondered how anyone could have been taken in by Hitler and Nazi rhetoric. US republicans are really working overtime to show us exactly how it went down.
It's fascinating and terrifying to see such blind loyalty to a truly despicable person and party.
The people whose faces were eaten by the leopards of the Leopards Eating Faces party are eating the faces of the leopards who ate their faces because those leopards want to eat the face of the leopard who most wanted to eat their faces... the gift of the magi or something
A traitor for doing the right thing… or a traitor for what he hasn’t done since?
Yup.
poor puddin'
Imagine a world where after the Jan 6 insurrection, Pence had had the integrity to unequivocally go after Trump. What a powerful message that would have been:
"Ladies and gentlemen, more than anyone else in this country, I wanted to win this election! My name is on the ticket! Winning would have meant 4 more years of doing wonderful, important work.
But the reason I love the job is that I love this country. I love this country more than I love myself.
And when President Trump asked me to break the laws of this country, to violates the Constitution, and to turn our democracy into a Kingdom with him as the king, all because we lost a fair election... Well I simply would not do it.
And the President got angry, and he directed an angry mob to the capital. He told them lies to trick them into committing horrible crimes against the United States.
When Trump saw that his plan was working, at that the mob was beating police officers, and calling for MY death, he did WORSE than nothing. He used his influence on social media to encourage those insurrectionists. He wanted them to kill us and to stop the transfer of power to the candidate who won the election fair and square.
Donald Trump knew that he lost the election. He knew all his court cases the prove fraud were tossed out because there simply was so evidence to back it up.
That's when Donald Trump decided that his own desire for power was more important that than the sanctity of our democracy, the rule of law, and even human lives.
He has gone mad with power, and it is only by the grace of God that his attempt to turn this nation into his personal kingdom failed.
I have had my moral difference with Donald Trump all along. I had hoped my influence would help to temper his worst impulses, but it is clear that he is too broken inside to be helped.
I ask my Republican colleagues to join me in doing whatever is necessary to preserve our democracy and removing Donald Trump from the levers of power after his horrific attack on our country, and the spirit of American democracy."
I would still disagree with him on everything, but at least I could respect him. Sadly republicans not only showed they lack policy, but also that they lack integrity and courage by still aligning with mr small hands dictator.
Its still surreal that the "family values", "christian", "freedom" crowd supports a person that doesnt practice any of those principles. Didn't their holy book warn them against golden idols?
edit: misspells
I'm glad we can finally call it what it is. In 2016, I would say that and liberals would try to argue that is more complicated than that and not everyone... And I'd just get pissed, because it was obviously fascist, but people weren't ready to understand, or accept that as even possible. Distance in time from a real fascist threat also makes people less sensitive to that reality...