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Similar to Mastodon's spikes last year, it seems. Anyways, there is data to think about. Source

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Some dropoff after initial hype is normal. Now we just continue as usual until reddit pisses people off again.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

We have to wait until tomorrow?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

There are also conscious efforts to weed out bots and other measures that try to remove potential cancer from spreading.

There was a post recently that outlined not weeding efforts on a couple dozen instances that tanked user number by something like 1/5 - clearly visible on graphs.

Lemmy doing great. Even if plenty small communities are still not big enough here.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm actively lurking, I just have nothing of value to share 🌝

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like people just want to hang out and talk about stuff. We don't always need to be wowed by some crazy high quality content or new OC. We just want to hang out with friends and shoot the shit. Most of us are on here to distract us from whatever bullshit we should probably be doing instead.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

To be honest, I do the same thing. A couple of simple rules to keep the web entertaining:

  1. Filter everything that triggers you
  2. Ban porn
  3. Never, never look at comments on politics, religion and family. You're like to want to erase humanity afterwards
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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'm to tired to make quality posts. Props to the people that can do that every day. Best I got is a few mildly opinionated comments.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Even lurkers are still part of a community.

I started out looking for an exact replacement for Reddit (where I mostly lurk). Initially I thought the lack of content and traffic on Lemmy was a bad thing, but I now see it as early days of a community and lack of content means I have a chance to make a post or comment that is valued and gets engagement from other users. Reddit was so mature that anything I wanted to post was either already there, not welcome or buried under an ocean of other content/comments. If you use both you could even find good content on Reddit to crosspost on Lemmy.

It's quite nice being part of a small community now.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not too worried. Graps dont only go up. :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Graps are delicious and I love the wins they make.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As a lurker I mostly just vote. But gotta post every once in a while to add to active users stat!

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For some the novelty of lemmy dropped pretty quickly. Most reddit users which make up a huge chunk of lemmy users would go days if not, weeks without commenting or posting. You kinda have to factor in that a lot of people are lemmy lurkers that will comment or post once they find something that interests them.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Lemmy.world has been down a lot, I've been trying to use it but half the times I've logged on it's been down. So that might be part of it?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Between lemmy.world and sync having issues I almost went on reddit. Then I remembered this is the fediverse, jerboa and lemm.ee exist and I'm back and more active than ever.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I think it's mostly lemmy.world issue, since (for some reason) is Sync's default, instead of suggesting smaller instances.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Also, this graph does not take into account kbin which is essentially the same kind of software as lemmy but tracked seperately. Better data can be found here: https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse

Also, instance hopping and users registering on multiple instances before picking only one/being active on only once may be an explanation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Also worth noting is Lemmy only counts posts/comments as "active users". Lurkers who only read and up/downvote aren't counted.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There's also people that create multiple accounts in different instances and end up using just one.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sadly, there's just not a critical mass of users in most of the communities I'm interested in. I pop in here every once in a while to see what's going on, but it's currently lacking the diversity of content that you get on Reddit. I'm still rooting for it to succeed.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm sticking with it for now. Reddit can piss off. The Spez shit was just the last straw for me after a lot of other disappointing shit in recent times.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Some people might have made multiple accounts and chosen one possibly?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The problem with lemmy is that it's not 100% stable. I like it more than Reddit but at least 20% of time lemmy is overloaded, down, not refreshing or else.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I haven't had that problem at all. Maybe a month ago, but now its stable. On the other hand I suppose if might be relative to the instance you joined?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy needs a middle logical layer to really take off. If a local server moderats it as such, the default view for say /c/technology shouldn't be slit across a dozen instances. Instead it should be merged into one view.

Without it you have a bunch of largely stagnant communities.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What would be better is if similar Lemmy communities could, by mutual agreement, "federate" so that all posts show up regardless of which community someone is viewing. So if you were looking at lemmy.world/c/technology, you'd also see posts lemmy.ml/c/technology if they "federated" (probably a better term to use to avoid confusion with the fediverse in general, but that's the one that came to mind).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It might be a good feature/option of a frontend to automatically aggregate same-name communities across federated servers. Bogus actors would either be downvoted or defederated off the feed.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Joined today. I’ll likely just lurk in the background…

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

They said while commenting...

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude I was away on vacation chill. :-)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Might as well post here as my first one. Hi, Lemmy. :)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sites like reddit, Instagram, and twitter make the cognitive effort to go from signing up to using the app as low as possible. The users' experience is considered from before they even have an account. They make sure you don't ever see a blank page or feel like you're battling the app to find content.

Lemmy actively puts roadblocks in the way. Server choices, the hoops you need to jump though for server memberships, and highly fragmented communities all but ensure that people will face issues when signing up.

Sadly, a lot of users here feel that because they had to overcome them, so should everyone else. Until that changes then the self-defeating cycle will continue.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They really really need to do something about the confusing account creation process. Most people ended up on Lemmy.world because they assumed that that was the site you had to use. They were never directed to other instances.

What they need to do is have a lemmy.com website and when you create an account on it it just creates an account on a random semi-popular reliable instance. To spread load. If everyone uses the same platform then the robustness of the platform goes away and we are essentially back to a single point of failure. But now in a more complicated manner.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't understand why people have expectations from a young platform like it's supposed to be the new reddit/facebook all of a sudden. I lived through the digg->reddit move and believe me, it was worse than what we see on lemmy sometimes. Let it grow and it will have a chance. Offer help when you think some communities aren't correctly moderated or when you think you have better ideas. People usually will try to help (not all the time).

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hard for me to be active when my home server is down most days 😂

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

New users join, some leave, but the ones who stay are active. Lemmy feels very alive and that's what matters.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No worries, Lemmy is alive. Lemmy and Fediverse in general is better to grow organically.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

With the fediverse known for its opposition to infinite growth, this feels ironic

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Lemmy has already hit equilibrium as far as I'm concerned if your on lemmy world I suggest changing instances my instance midwest.social was down alot in the beginning when lemmy was getting alot of new sign ups but has since then been updated a few times and been rock solid since now it only occasionally goes down for maintenance

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe it's just my feelings but conversations and participation is booming. I rather a small and active community than a millions of users who lurk.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The big problem with lemmy is that some niche communities did not migrated so when you Look for example for fairphone news you Look to reddit beacuse lemmy dosent have equivalent. Likewise i havent seen something similar to r/tailsof. You know the niche communities that were the bread and bucket of reddit with the few exceptions ( programers and Linux communities fully migrated and are obviusly standing out beacuse those pepole are always first to move to opensource alternatives )

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“Chart go down” isn’t necessarily bad.

For example, this could be due to general disinterest, or it could be from troll removal/defederation too, no?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It's way better than the relative numbers of Threads. I expect a decline of active users, since a lot of Reddit users registered to a Lemmy instance expecting a similar experience that couldn't be fulfilled. It will stabilize and grow up again with peaks when, for example, old.reddit.com is ditched.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

For the last month and a half, I have not used reddit at all. Lemmy has most of the communities that I was a part of.

But I get that, some niche subreddits still don't have communities here on lemmy. A few of my friends, stopped using lemmy because it didn't have the subs they were active in.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It needs a solid app like Apollo was for Reddit to help it keep active users.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A big issue was loosing all the .ml lemmy instances. I lost mine and had to create a new account. lemmy.ml is the only one that's still up.

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[–] BrikoX 7 points 1 year ago

It's natural progression once initial hype wears off. As long we manage to keep core amount of users it should grow slowly over time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Reddit is going to keep trying dumb methods to monetize or annoy their user base. Digg did a similar thing. The people will slowly get more and more annoyed and the content here will increase. It’s just a waiting game and federated services are the future.

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