Hard to argue with. I'm 28 and work at a warehouse and the guys I'm friendly with on a surface level just to kinda be personable will say some shockingly homophobic and misogynistic things if you listen to them talk long enough. Like I can't be friends with these guys, not really.

Conversely, I met this really cool guy the other day at a rockhound meet up who was super chill and left. He goes diving for jade in Big Sur and was super into scallops so I traded him some marine shell fossil conglomerates and lapidary slabs and polished agate nodules for chunks of jade and some weed. Me and my partner just vibed with him and his buddy and it was great. Guys that cool are few and far between unfortunately.

Men do be eating steak and saying slurs

The four discussion topics of young men:

1. Watching sports
2. Superhero who would win debates
3. Stories about playing video games
4. Which women might possibly give them a scrap of pussy

The four topics of middle aged men:

1. Their kids' sports
2. Their failing bodies
3. Their parents' failing bodies
4. Bowling

I am both excited and horrified to learn the four topics of old men.

Men will literally only open up about their deepest feelings to some guy whose name is pigfucker69 in a voip call while playing a game called fascist space guy simulator 9000

I am older than you. I have unfortunte news about my peers. They are still losers. Material conditions are garbage and about half of all people will always be below average. Despite this we know there are conditions that produce happier healthier people.

Kinda. Legit it is hard to make friends as a guy though. 24 you are still young but it gets harder and harder as you get older. The way that things are at least in the USA, men are basically expected to be in competition with eachother constantly. I mean, when I came out as trans I started making a bunch new friends. Idk. Lots of loser men out there though so you're not wrong

25 here and I agree. Most people in general kind of suck in my experience. Like most of my friends just smoke and play games and parrot dumb shit they see on Facebook. I've discovered more and more recently that some of the stuff they say teeters on chud territory. They're like your average South Park fan, I guess.

It just sucks because... is this all adulthood actually is? At least for me? Did I fuck up so badly?

Honestly it shakes my faith as a socialist a bit. I wanna blame it all on capitalism and propaganda, but damn I meet people almost daily who suck so hard I'm like "I'm pretty sure you'd still be an asshole even if you were born under FALGSC". How the fuck do you organize socialism when so many people are irredeemably dickish? Idk maybe Lenin was just good at putting up with assholes, he did work with Trotsky.

once you get married it gets easier, since you can hang out with other married couples. men who have passed the (honestly, minimal) filter of convincing someone else to spend the entire rest of their lives with them are somewhat less likely to be total shit.

Almost 40 and yes.

"Dudes rock"? UNLIKELY

The male loneliness epidemic exists because we were all socialized by chronically online nerds. Execute steve huffman and it'll go away in a generation.

I kinda respect the misanthropy in this thread and I understand why people come to this but I refuse to give up on the potential in the human spirit and inside everyone except in the case of certain individual people

If that ever happens I'm probably gonna myself

i'm a 30 year old man and i know i'm definitely a mentally unstable and emotionally fragile loser. also like 98% of the people around me have the WRONG TAKES on stuff like palestine and ukraine and usually trans people and feminism. expressing sympathy for people you don't know personally is like, taken as a sign of weakness or insanity or something, and not just by men. i hate alcohol, sports, travel, outdoor activities, and live music as well so like who could i even ever relate to. every single profile on tinder for example is like 'i like country music, harry potter, alcohol, and football, and also i want to go on a lot of expensive vacations all the time.' i'm a communist in a very conservative suburban area and am functionally broke all the time so i've just resigned to dying alone. sometimes i wonder if i'm not more gay than i think i am or if i'm aromantic or something, i just don't get along with the vast majority of people, we have no common interests and mine are very specific.

So much misanthropy in this thread...

Yea I also don't interact with anybody that I graduated high-school with because they're all exhausting lying stupid and also self righteous to the point of being outwardly confrontational.

Last time a friend group from high school hung out somebody I considered a close friend in high school said homeless people should just get a job if they don't like being homeless and then got way too drunk and tried to fight another one of our friends because we didn't all agree he was rhe best at soccer basketball AND baseball while we were in high school.

I don't blame anybody for not wanting to be around them unless required by contract.

It's because nobody gives a F about you.

My spouse told me about a number of times people stopped to help her when she had a flat or her car broke down. Also, one time when she bought something at an autoparts store and they helpfully installed it for her.

I had someone pull over to help one time,out of the dozens I've been broken down by the side of the road, and that one time, it was a cop. The only reason they did was bc it was 3AM and they probably wondered what I was getting up to. Other than that, never had anyone stop to help.

When I went to the store she'd recommended, the guy man-shamed me when I asked for help installing a part.

Generally speaking, men don't get much mental, physical or financial help.

I'm not saying women have it great (they don't), but there's a lot more to it than "guise suq!".

the secret to loneliness is to have contempt for others and let that hate fill whatever hole you have in your heart

But wait, if they're my peers and they're all losers, that makes me...

Fuck.

Theres too many Andrew Taint fans

It's true. But young men & women could use dating & life advice from a non right wing source like the redpill. It may seem like basic obvious stuff but many people need to hear it.

How did the covid era loneliness epidemic become male coded?