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It's the dunk tank.

This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.

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Rule 2: If your source is a reactionary website, please use archive.is instead of linking directly.

Rule 3: No sectarianism.

Rule 4: TERF/SWERFs Not Welcome

Rule 5: No ableism of any kind (that includes stuff like libt*rd)

Rule 6: Do not post fellow hexbears.

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Rule 8: The subject of a post cannot be low hanging fruit, that is comments/posts made by a private person that have low amount of upvotes/likes/views. Comments/Posts made on other instances that are accessible from hexbear are an exception to this. Posts that do not meet this requirement can be posted to [email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've lurked there before and their in-jokes are even more impenetrable than HexBear's.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

whats the most impenetrable in-joke from hexbear youve come across?

Ive been here since the start so Im curious

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fuck me if I didn't start giggling at "John Kerry"

That dude has such a stupid and funny context here

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All the piss and shit jokes are confusing at first. Then there's the references to past struggle sessions. I don't think outsiders will immediately understand the passion around outdoor cats and rock stacking.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Omg did I miss a rock stacking struggle session?!!

I MUST GO MY PEOPLE NEED ME

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do they have dope ass bears?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. They call Capital "Das" and make obscure Bordiga references.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Hey, that's the name of my tapeworm! blob-no-thoughts just like me fr

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For most people, the fact that they are an out of touch gamerchair socialist is a thing of shame, for labor aristocrats, it's just a funny meme to laugh about with your friends as you post utopian poetry on your slave labor phone while sipping slave labor coffee. I don't care if its Vaush or VarnVlog, folks these people are losers!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Dislikes leftism

Names community Ultraleft

Ok, yeah, sure, whatever

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm a sub for salinist simps seeking socialism, fr fr.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Salinists are just tankies who are extra salty

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Joseph Saline and the Red Army flushed the Nazi mucous out of Eastern Europe

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

t34 is actually a neti pot

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Love me a good Salinist,

Salitations to you.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

we should probably start a club

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

It's a bit , right?

anakin-padme-4

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Three simple questions can reveal whether these ultras are genuine or larpers who don't read

  1. How many sources of profit are there?
  2. Does competition or monopoly define capital accumulation?
  3. Is profitability or consumption the driving force of capitalist production?

No lie, I've never meet an ultra who answered these correctly, mfs on that dogmatist train do not read Marx

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What are the correct answers?

my attempt

  1. Only labour.
  2. Monopoly.
  3. Profitability.
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  1. Two; labour being the modern primary and profit on alienation being the other (i.e. buy cheap, sell dear)
  2. Competition; but not in the nonsensical way it's defined by the modern neoclassical tradition
  3. Profitability, you nailed it stalin-approval
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is profit on alienation the same as arbitrage? Is arbitrage profit?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, essentially the same thing

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I assume this also includes rentierism?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Rentierism is basically just a transfer from a circuit of capital to a circuit of revenue, so the source of the revenue can fall under both categories of profit making in the form of costs

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Conflating price with value is a pretty basic mistake and I've seen it in that sub from a fairly prolific poster lmao.

Fortunately most of the comments were clowning on them but it still managed a positive upvote ratio. Thread is here if you want to take a look, it's pretty funny seeing the poster try to defend themselves

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reminds me of that one famous episode back during the old sub days when another prolific poster tried to "debunk" Marx by repeatedly copy-pasting the definition of "production functions" and claiming the only way socialism would work is through marginalism, he received hundreds of upvotes very comment

lmao it was simultaneously the funniest and worst thing I'd ever seen on the old sub, leftist reddit in 2018 was wild

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  1. Fair, I mixed up profit with surplus value.
  2. How is that? I vaguely remember an argument where competition (as a law) leads to accumulation, but this accumulation of capital and credit in turn makes more material available for monopolization. But perhaps I'm confusing Marx with Lenin.
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For the theory of monopoly to make sense it has to apply to both macro and mirco, sure from the individual consumer's viewpoint there appears to be monopolies everywhere (Walmart in a small town) but at scale we don't see that, we see vicious competition between enormous firms (and small firms) all over the world, Walmart may not have powerful competitors in a small town, but go to any plaza in the US what do you see next to the Walmart? Nothing but competitors; a Target right there, a best buy over there, a Home depot down the road, a Costco across the street, there's centralization of capital absolutely, but where's the monopoly in this picture?

Now over the history of capitalism there have been phenomenon that take on the appearance of monopoly (company towns, energy cartels, massive nation sized corporations) and sure you can assert there are localized monopolies, but as an aggregate across national economies small firms still exist in enormous numbers, and at the scale where the majority of capital is made, i.e. across national borders there's nothing but competition

Now there's widespread confusion on this matter because neoclassical economics implies that any firm at scale is not competing "properly" and as such is a monopoly, liberals and modern Marxists alike fall for it, but it's a fantasy construction by a tradition that was designed specifically to negate Marxist economics

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Thank you. Now I wish for more trick questions, hopefully a book with exercises.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

well at least they know they're ultras. it's always so annoying when you have to be the one to tell them.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That description made me tilt my head so quick that I pulled a muscle

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

In a coma rn hbu

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

no more half measures walter

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

actually what the fuck is left of "commies" when you subtract anarchists stalinists and leftists

What the fuck!jesse-wtf

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bordiga is the one true communist.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they literally adopted the pejorative as a name for themselves? lmao

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't this happen with the word "tankie" too?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

no "tankies" call themselves MLs.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's more of a terminally online, meme lord thing, but there's certainty some Marxist-Leninists using the term in a positive context.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are they warren ‘leftists’ or Reddit ‘socialists’ I can’t tell

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They're extremely irony poisoned leftcoms

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I like'm already that sounds tits.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Just like me frfr

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Oh, that explains half of it.

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