my man this world order cannot even take climate change seriously with all its evidence and real-world consequences people can see right before their eyes, and you want them to nuke anybody who makes a chat bot stop telling lies
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Yudkowsky is a decision theorist from the U.S. and leads research at the Machine Intelligence Research Institute.
He founded that institute, how can someone be considered an expert just because they "lead research" at their own institute? They used to be called the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence too, which just tells you how unserious they are.
Who funds them anyway?
https://intelligence.org/transparency/
An anonymous Ethereum cryptocurrency investor in 2018 and 2021.
Open Philanthropy, a joint initiative with the philanthropic foundation Good Ventures.
Vitalik Buterin, the inventor and co-founder of Ethereum.
The Thiel Foundation, a private foundation funded by Paypal co-founder and venture capitalist Peter Thiel.
A different anonymous Ethereum cryptocurrency investor in 2017.
Oh...
Founding the FourteenEyes Giant Hog Foundation to research my own hog (accepting donations)
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These Yugioh monster retrains have really gone downhill
Yudkowsky is hilarious because he has zero education or professional experience. Like, he didn’t attend high school or college, has never had anything like a job, and has never attempted to produce anything. He could have been a normal nepo baby and gotten into tech investing or entertainment or just fucked off and lived quietly, but for some reason his deepest desire was to dedicate his life to fan-fiction blogging about AI in the style of academic writing. A truly unique individual who could only be produced by the stagnant cesspit that is the Silicon Valley ecosystem.
I remember seeing a remarkably stupid quote by him and looking into who the hell he was and the fact anyone listens to him is baffling. He just yammers on about stuff he knows nothing about and then apparently there's enough oblivious people who believe him to keep the whole thing going in some perpetual shit eating machine type situation.
Baffling is the right word. I don’t really know where he fits in the ecosystem. If he’s a grifter, he could be leveraging his position much better. If he’s a true believer, I don’t get what purpose he serves to his funders. Shit eating machine, indeed.
how can someone be considered an expert just because they "lead research" at their own institute?
yeah but like do you even grift bro
And when the world needed @[email protected] the most, he vanished
He did what he had to do and took Kissinger with him.
I've taken up his banner
You're not nearly annoying enough
More like UselessT these days, smdh
I would rather have a machine apocalypse than a nuclear one
This except it’s about fossil fuel extraction
what if we just nuke the boardrooms of "ai" companies instead
Why does anyone listen to this fucking moron? Every time he speaks he makes it clear he has no idea what he's talking about
Capitalists shovel money at him and give him a platform because he tells them what they want to hear.
It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.
ooh my plug is getting into learning about the effective altruism type losers. she's gonna love how insane the yud is 
can we expand this policy to crypto mines?
I would not consider "we should do a nuclear holocaust so Roko's Basilisk can't get us" an especially good point
I just want to destroy ai bros
Entirely understandable
Most AI research is in the US, so uh... yeah go for it dude.
JDPON-YUD
What he's saying is 
If China researches AI their copywriters will be unstoppable. We cannot lose the marketing war to China
Someone remind me, this guy has 0 actual education or expertise when it comes to programming, right? He just got famous for writing a harry potter fanfic?
I mean...he can program somewhat. He's been extremely online since he was single digits, which means he has USENET transhumanist brainworms with a heavy dose of gifted kid syndrome.
And I mean, same. But I didn't go off the deep end.
I think if you want to understand Big Yud you have to understand his early work (which is exactly what he tells you not to do), both his early AI enthusiast work (Staring into the Singularity, Shock Levels) and his magnum opus, Levels of Organisation in General Intellegence.
These works are out of date but explain why he thinks AI is so important.
More importantly it shows why his final (frankly obvious to everyone else) realisation that "maybe a really smart thing might not only not map easily onto human internal states but also might not automatically find a super nice objective morality". Drove him entirely off the deep end and into the arms and bank accounts of Thiel and his ilk.
Finally they show why he's a very smart boy who is skilled enough at nerd rhetoric to even fool himself. But not smart enough to doubt himself in future after he fucked up the foundations of his entire worldview
“This technology is incredibly dangerous and must be stopped!” — investors in said technology who are definitely not pumping and dumping
I think you forgot to include the part where he thinks this needs to be done so that we can, essentially, kill all of the dumb people who would get tricked by a rising superintelligent AI.
There are so many cranks in "AI safety" stuff to the point where it is legitimately difficult to talk about what should be done that isn't very obviously slanted for some industry's benefit. You've got people like this, you've also got people like Gladstone that are LITERALLY EX-PENTAGON PEOPLE SPONSORED BY LOCKHEED MARTIN (who I am sure are very concerned about AI safety -- the only way I could be more convinced is if it was Boeing), who have suspicious demands that the publication of open-source models should be made illegal (probably out of concerns about China, as if half of the papers I read on new developments aren't already from them or the Noah's Ark lab in Moscow). There is no well that is unpoisoned here.
AI for me, not for thee