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Alternative title is Steve Job's is an asshole for killing Flash.

I am 5 beers deep right now so let me get on with this hottake. It was wrong to kill Flash because literally nothing has replaced it. It's murderer was Steve jobs in the end because it worked like shit on the iPhone. Even when they worked with Adobe on the port they could not get it to work. Check out the link it talks about it in there.

One of the lines that caught my eye in there was "by almost any definition, Flash is a closed system". The man who created the most closed system on the planet has the gall to say this line, and people still believe it to this day. The reason why Flash was so invasive was because the language that drove it was a simplified version of JavaScript. It was made so easy that it took a bit of hardware to run. They later used it for UI graphics in video games because it could present things so easily. What we got to replace it was JavaScript + HTML5. From a sysadmins perspective JavaScript is full of nothing but pitfalls for new players to the point it seems like its written that way.

I want you to think back to all the jank flash games you played like Happy Wheels. Yea we kind of get those games in Unity but not at the replability as older flash games. Do you remember playing Elona Shooter before even finding out what the Elona series was about? Did Nanaca✝Crash make you wish for all those hours of your life back? Do I age myself by talking about these things? I think part of what makes the internet so good is how accessible it is to do things with it. Killing a language that only lets more people do shit is a sin.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Revisionist. I played flash games not because I enjoyed playing them on flash but because that's all there was online. And most of the time they sucked and took forever to load and broke and then people wanted to create their whole site on flash and that sucked just as bad. A fun aesthetic to look back at, but the use was awful at best.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

she means flash was good because it was piss-easy to make stuff with it, not that it was actually a good game engine

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I understand, but we're all better off not having something easy to make that sucks to use

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

nah, making creative outlets accessible is a good thing

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

There were definitely good flash games

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What a trash take. Programming is not something to be gatekeeped by shitbags like you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Why should we tell programmers to create things that aren't sustainable because they suck for the end user and will be gone in a few years? Im all for more accessible programming. I just don't think Flash is a good example of that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

that's not gatekeeping programming. gatekeeping programming is when i say making devices easy enough for boomers to use was a mistake.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I totally agree with you. This is nostalgia cope. Flash, Java applets, and Silverlight were all bullshit. Jobs might have been a terrible person and wrong about a lot of things, but this was not one of them lol.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't know when you were playing online but I certainly did not have the same experience as you

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Eh, I don't feel too bad about the death of Flash. Sure Jobs was a hypocrite and an asshole but Flash gave Adobe an incredible monopoly over multimedia on the web up until that point.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

you will never again experience the beauty of Bush Shoot-out

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Holy shit! You just transported me back to like 2004.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'll never forget those mother fuckers telling me that HTML5 would replace Flash. HAS IT THOUGH!? Flash animation is dead and all I got now are these Source Filmmaker coomers.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Everyone's copies of Adobe Flash still work, and the animation system is still actively being updated as Adobe Animate. ToonBoom works similarly for rigged animation, and krita and OpenToonz are great for frame-by-frame animation. People are still uploading animations and games to sites like newgrounds, we're just not going there looking for them anymore.

The flash player plugin losing browser compatibility didn't make internet animation go away, it just lost popularly well before the flash player plugin died.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

WASM has the same energy

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

The problem was that Flash was never meant to be that multimedia thing that overcomplicated web design, it was meant to be an animation tool with an ability to add some scripting to it. But that niche use didn't make all the money in the world, so they had it do something it wasn't meant to do.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

Running Flash was right pain in the ass on Linux. The free flash alternatives didn't work right. So proprietary Flash it is. OK I know how to copy libflashplayer.so into the right folder. At the end of Flash's live the only way to get the new libpepperflash.so was to download Chrome. It was not distributed anywhere else. shrug-outta-hecks

Oh what's that? The performance on Linux sucks? Somehow my perfectly average laptop can only show me a slideshow instead of a flash game, even though that game presumably ran perfectly fine on most Windows PCs 10 years ago? I guess I'll play emulated SNES roms instead.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

OF ALL THE THINGS TO HATE STEVE JOBS OVER, FLASH? THIS IS SILLY

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING

EDIT: WTF ALL YOUR COMMENTS ARE YOU SCREAMING AAAA bocchi-glitch

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Not just games, but there used to be a lot more animations. Sure, a lot of them sucked, but there were good ones. Who knows what we might've got if Adobe and Apple didn't kill Flash and kids who watched Homestar Runner made their own cartoons influenced by it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Build a time machine just to kill young Steve Jobs.