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I don’t blame them. Ukraine needs to take the war to Russia to win.

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[–] [email protected] 169 points 4 months ago (45 children)

As an American, I support Ukraine droning inside Russia. Fuck up their power plants, oil production, and bases! I believe most Americans would agree that in war, this tactic is fair game.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

There have been no such calls for Ukraine to stop attacking Russia. The article is behind a paywall, and there are no corroborating stories from any credible news sites. According to the same article on yahoo news, the White House claimed its due to oil prices. The US gets its oil from Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Brazil. The headline has no merit.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

this is a fake story, there haven't been any "warnings".. it's pure propaganda being shoveled by the Russians..

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why would the USA expect Ukraine to listen to them when Israel gets more aid & regularly lies to the USA with 0 repercussions?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Israel gets more aid

Israel probably hasn't gotten more aid in the last 2 years but overall they might have. Also, assuming this is even true, why would Ukraine listen to the US since they have abandoned support of Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Israel doesn’t get more aid. Unless you consider total aid since 1946 adjusted for inflation, then yes, but that wouldn’t make sense. Israel gets 3.3 billion a year. Since February 2022, the United States has allocated $113.4 billion in emergency funding to support Ukraine.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 4 months ago (4 children)

They are fighting in the fucking defensive war. What fucking logic is that? They should even cross the Russian border if needed.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

What warnings? Last I heard the very deliberate language was that the US "Did not encourage" strikes inside Russian territory. Has that language escalated?

Can't read the article due to the torrent of pop ups unfortunately because I'm very interested to know the basis of the headline.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The article is paywalled anyway.

The basis for the title is that Ukraine is still hitting targets in Russia. Honestly, I don't believe the US was serious about their comments opposing those strikes. US oil companies will just make more profits after all.

I believe the argument was that it would raise global oil prices but that wouldn't make sense unless Russia is doing a better job of bypassing sanctions than we know about. There have been rumblings of Russia using intermediate countries to move oil and other resources, so there is that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

And note the source. It’s basically an industry rag.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

If anything, it's an obligatory, "no... please... don't..." to maintain plausible deniability.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

last section of the document

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It just seems super vague to me. It says that they are ignoring the advice to call off the strikes, but there's nothing in there from an official or anything about what exactly they are being advised. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but it doesn't seem definitive at all as to what's being communicated.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Every time I see headlines like these I remember that Ukraine denied the US told them to stop hitting oil plants in Russia, but people kept repeating the story.

Anyway...

Ukrainian forces launched a drone attack on Kardymovo, Smolensk Oblast tonight, successfully hitting a pair of Russian oil depots.

Both of the complexes are heavily burning.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago (17 children)

Ukraine should only consider the comments of countries sending money and weapons.

When the US starts to send money again, then the US can comment.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago (3 children)

How about this: we’re allowed to tell them how to run their war as long as we supply them an uninterrupted pipeline of the shit they need to win it the way they’re telling us to.

Oh wait: we already tried that, except we not only didn’t even do it well, but also didn’t hold up our end of the bargain because of fucking fascist far-right politicians. So we kinda fucked that one up, didn’t we?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I hope Ukraine wins and takes a cut of Russian territory as compensation.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

alas, i am afraid that even if ukraine is able to restore its territorial integrity, most of russian citizens won't understand that their government did something wrong. russia won't ever be humiliated like nazi germany, to force people to think what they did wrong.

i am afraid of newer russian revanshionism and i am afraid of what their post imperial phantom pains will make them do in the future.

my impression is that majority of the russian citizens feel pain regarding the 'lost lands' as they often put it, as a result of ussr collapse.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Nazi Germany was “humiliated “ because they were occupied and force to learn of their crimes.

Russia cant must be allowed to get off Scot free for this shit. They need to be dismantled to nullify future harm, and forced to confront and acknowledge their crimes.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Stop posting paywalled articles

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

Good. Fuck russia.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

As they should, I hope they somehow take out Putin

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Apt, considering what the US did in the Middle East with their own drones.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

I like the Economist but maybe posting their articles here should be avoided since no one can obviously read them so everyone is just commenting about the headline.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Punish Russia for invading your country and if it hurts their economy perhaps that will deter other countries from pulling the same crap.

The article is paywalled but I'm guessing the warnings are because of the energy economics involved. If an effective counter-offensive drives up oil prices then maybe that will be the (admittedly likely painful) push the world needs to finally swap to other forms of energy. I'm aware it might hurt, but I think it's long overdue regardless of wars and the decades of stalling for economic reasons has done a lot of harm to the world.

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