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It's the dunk tank.

This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We've swung the pendulum too far to the other side. People are being too gentle and diplomatic. We've forgotten part of why bullying works. Some people need to be chased away from the discourse. We had to chase so many people away to get the community and the vibes we have here now.

People like that I posted here should not feel comfortable acting like they are right now. They should be bullied to the point of silence for the sake of those around them, an for the sake of themselves becoming a lurker and hopefully acculturated to the community they've just joined.

Feel free to bully me if I'm wrong.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Reddit bingo:

Uses debate terms incorrectly

Smug

Refuses to read and acts like that makes him the victor

Baseless accusations about his opponent's personal character

Cringe

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you won bingo! your prize is frustration.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Maybe you'll get crippling depression and doomerism if you keep winning the bingo!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Oh, you communists posted an entire wall of details well sourced analysis that names names and specific events which refutes my entire belief structure? SMDH literacy is such a communist scheme I am misusing a text to speech program to write this i have never comprehened a word in my life to protect me from the lies of 1984 no food big spoon tanks famine sparrows communism!

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Importantly this was deployed in a reply to someone calling them out for completely ignoring a cited argument. The "strawman" here is saying something went over their head.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

they have another one! do you think they keep these in a folder? so pathetic.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

probably, unfortunately debate pervert is terminal, once you've succumbed to it you'll never recover.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm sure of it.

And why do these debatelords only ever reflexively invoke the same one or two fallacies all the time? Where's the love for equivocation? The non sequitur? The composition fallacy! Lord knows they have enough experience with that last one

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Sorry thats an ad hominem, that's -5 epic baconrinos for you!

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Looks like an uncle and nephew shidding together.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

he cant even use his reddit buzzwords correctly. lmao. this nerd should be bullied. sadly I dont have the energy to join your glorious efforts.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Saving these for my personal usage on the site.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

tbh when I saw them post that, I mostly just felt embarassed

like imagine posting that

cringe

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Guilty. I have engaged too many people in good faith only to have my good faith thrown back in my face covered in poop and pee and things less definable.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Also I hate to sound like a lemmyworlder here but their latest reply to me had 5 upvotes within 2 minutes of being posted. I think the belief that we're manipulating votes has led some of these specimens to take preemptive last resorts illuminati

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's 100% something going with votes ever since a month or 2 ago, Yog started randomly getting ~10-20 more upvotes out of no where on random comments and posts, often time's in less than 5-10 minutes, it was especially strange when it would happen to one of his comments sandwiched between a comment he was replaying to and a comment replying to him, but it's very inconsistent it doesn't happen all the time and I haven't noticed any patterns to it, and then I noticed it happening to a few of my comments too, and I see suspicious vote behavior like that here and there now too, I suspect there's either someone testing voting bots to see how well lemmy instances can detect them, or it's just some strange lemmy bug that hasn't been reported yet.

I asked one of the lemmygrad admins to check these two comments of mine that I noticed, https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/1359803 https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/1361307 and see if they noticed any strange accounts upvoting them, but I never got a response shrug-outta-hecks

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Every one of their comments has exactly 5 upvotes, it's so obvious and embarrassing lmao. Like watching someone shid and fard all over the floor while screaming "I'm not owned!"

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

They literally have several alts they use to upvote their posts lmao.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I look forward to the day when I see "preemptive last resort" on the newest Hexbear iceberg inshallah.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To make it even funnier, this dork has at least two other alts that they're using to do the exact same "Philosophy 101 infographic everything you say is a fallacy" shtick and upvote the other alt's posts - every comment they make immediately jumps up to +6 or +7 and rarely goes any higher.

If there's anyone who seriously needs to be dunked on it's them. If for no other reason than to frustrate them with an overwhelming number of comments.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree. Some of the disingenuous shit I've seen from other instances has been disgusting and they deserve to get some pushback. As long as it doesn't break Hexbears rules

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Just say informal logical fallacies aren't real and ask them to prove to you that they're actual logical fallacies worth caring about. Even Wikipedia has this blurb:

The traditional approach to fallacies has received a lot of criticism in contemporary philosophy. This criticism is often based on the argument that the alleged fallacies are not fallacious at all, or at least not in all cases. To overcome this problem, alternative approaches for conceiving arguments and fallacies have been proposed. These include the dialogical approach, which conceives arguments as moves in a dialogue-game aimed at rationally persuading the other person. This game is governed by various rules. Fallacies are defined as violations of the dialogue rules impeding the progress of the dialogue. The epistemic approach constitutes another framework. Its core idea is that arguments play an epistemic role: they aim to expand our knowledge by providing a bridge from already justified beliefs to not yet justified beliefs. Fallacies are arguments that fall short of this goal by breaking a rule of epistemic justification. In the Bayesian approach, the epistemic norms are given by the laws of probability, which our degrees of belief should track.

All these nerds did was memorize the Wikipedia list on informal logical fallacies without understanding what informal logical fallacies are supposed to be. Appeal to authority is a good example. It's all well and good until it has the "it isn't appeal to authority if the source is an actual authority" clause. But therein lies the rub. Everyone appeals to what they believe to be an actual authority. Nobody appeals to the authority of who they believe to be an incompetent person. So, the informal logical fallacy called appeal to authority doesn't exist because no one is foolish enough to purposely appeal to a source that they themselves feel isn't an actual authority. I could go on. The vast majority of claims of ad hominem aren't actually ad hominem, but just generic insults. And even with actual ad hominem, ad hominem presupposes that there's no casual link between a person's idea and a person's action or character. You can see this with the type of ad hominem tu quoque. Tu quoque is just calling your opponent a hypocrite, but if one didn't separate one's thoughts from one's actions like some idealist liberal, then suddenly tu quoque isn't so fallacious. Why haven't your argument materialize in the real world, as demonstrated by you failing to live up to what you've just argued? Could it be that your argument is actually trash and you are completely full of shit?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

formal fallacies also kind of aren't fully real either. at least within the confines of discourse, it's not like formal/deductive logic is hugely applicable to rhetoric anyway imo. i think just drawing upon fallacies in general is a bit pointless, most debate is centred around premise acceptability and not argument structure.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Thats bait. I don't mind if you bully them but it is either on purpose or hopeless.

Wall behavior for sure. wall-talk

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes but paradoxically they're not a troll in the classic sense that uses bait. They're the most hooked-on-the-line person in that thread. It's just pure brainworms. I really do think it's for their own good that they be bullied into silence.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Yeah I agree but I haven't seen someone that obnoxious since I posted in r politics.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

this user's been doing this since they fled to lemmy during the reddit logo exodus, they're a true believer trust me

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Appeal to force first, appeal to force last, and never apologize for appealing to force. If their argument had any validity god would aid them in overthrowing us in mortal combat.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://existentialcomics.com/comic/9

This sounds like what I apparently missed while I was out.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Do not ping users from other federated instances with intent to goad or mock.

Do not directly link to comments or posts of other federated instances on public posts with intent to goad or mock.

Looks like a boring nerd anyway who cares

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (30 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

OP just shout fallacy fallacy at them and they'll crumble into dust

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Oh I just encountered this person in the wild lol

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

bullying lemmy.ml users is complete fair game anyways. their admins are on our side

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

The dunks are coming from inside the house.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

i love these comments, this was the best bit i have come across in a long time. i was laughing my ass off the whole thread. it is even better if it is real. there is so little self awareness. i love it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I was dunking on this person but I found a weird comment of theirs on a thread about "what would you do if it was your last day alive". I think they are legitimately mentally unwell and we should stop dunking on him.

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