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Lawmakers demand details of a Mar-a-Lago dinner where Trump promised to ease regulations on the oil industry while asking executives to steer $1 billion to his 2024 campaign.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (4 children)

If democrats wanna go after trump for soliciting bribes, maybe they should work on outlawing those bribes and stop accepting them themselves.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Lobbying donations are legal in order to keep the money exchange transparent, specifically so officials can be held accountable for quid pro quo exchange. What Trump reportedly said was exactly what’s not legal, promising eased regulations or preferential treatment in exchange for donations.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Considering the very common practice of lobbyists drafting up specific legislation for politicians to use, i dont think this is the case. Or at the very least has zero enforcement.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

It’s the latter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The AT&T article clearly states that it’s quid pro quo, or this for that. That’s not legal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My point is that the lobbying doesn't seem to stop the bribing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It’s not meant to stop it. It’s meant to make money exchange transparent so the law can hold them accountable more easily if they’re used in exchange of preferential treatment.

I’m not a fan of monetary exchange in lobbying either, but at least now we can see the exchange instead of it being under the table like it was before lobbying law.

https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fortunately for them, Drumpf is dumb enough to break the few laws we do have so they don't need to reign anything in to get him.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah theyll get him this time

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Just like every other time... 🤡

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lol, a little difference between lobbying, and offering services for specific dollar amounts, that just happens to be SURPRISE!!!! ILLEGAL. Shocker right? I know, republikkklowns just look the other way, rules for thee not for meeeeeeee.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lol, a little difference between lobbying, and offering services for specific dollar amounts,

nope

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Give me money to potentially sway my vote in a way that helps you. Ok.

I tell you give me a million and i'll make that vote happen. Illegal and not ok.

I'm sure at this point you're just a troll, but there is a difference there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Sway your vote? Man lobbyists hand you the whole prewritten legislation to sponsor for their money. Legal because its going to your election campaign instead of directly to you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I can’t believe you wrote that whole sentence before writing a dictionary, such hypocrisy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Im not just calling out hypocrisy, i mean it literally, they cant do anything about this because laws are very lenient for campaign donations. So if they actually want to stop this, they do actually need to make legislative changes.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why? Just abolish Citizens United and make lobbying equate to the bribery it is. Nothing will truly be fixed until that happens.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

You can't take away the last bit.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

Giving politicians money and then asking them to pass a bill favorable to you is not "petitioning the government," it's bribery. If corps and billionaires want to try to convince the politicians that they should pass the bills they want, they can still do that. There just shouldn't be money changing hands.

[–] TowardsTheFuture 11 points 3 months ago

But a corporation is not entitled to that. Neither is money. People are.

Allowing money to count as a petition is limiting the freedom of those without money then.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, this needs to be investigated. This was clearly a request for a quid pro quo arrangement. Pay me this and I'll do that for you. Very illegal. In case there's any doubt about that...

In 1976, announcing the Supreme Court's landmark Buckley v. Valeo decision, Chief Justice Warren Burger set this standard for corruption: "the reality & appearance of improper influence stemming from the dependence of candidates on large campaign contributions."

The current chief justice, John Roberts, had led an effort to tighten that broad language. Roberts, delivering the McCutcheon v. FEC ruling last year, defined corruption as "a contribution to a particular candidate in exchange for his agreeing to do a particular act within his official duties."

He was describing a quid pro quo – the donor's money in explicit exchange for the politician's official favor. It's a felony.

Just to be clear, John Roberts, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the USA defined corruption as "a contribution to a particular candidate in exchange for his agreeing to do a particular act within his official duties."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Very illegal, very uncool.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fuck Trump and everything but isn't this going on like every day with nearly every elected official?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Not out loud, so they have to at leat pretend to be outraged.