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Hello users of Hexbear with the upcoming version of lemmy 0.19.4 we will be able to change local communities' federation to local only however it is experimental as they are developing private communities.

In a previous federation discussion, we stated that we would temporarily remove lemm.ee from our allow-list until hexbear communities and users have the means by which to set hexbear communities to not federate out, restricting it to hexbear users. Now that this tool is available, we will refederate with lemm.ee after we complete the update.

Please use this post to discuss federation in general, as well as provide feedback to the hexbear mod and admin team in regard to federation.

List of current federated instances on hexbear's allow-listspectreofcommunism.boo akkoma

feddit.uk lemmy

lemmygrad.ml lemmy

transwo.men akkoma

sloth.run sharkey

endlesstalk.org lemmy

infosec.pub lemmy

akko.wtf akkoma

ursal.zone mastodon

suppo.fi lemmy

redpawcollective.co mastodon

social.harpia.red akkoma

piefed.social PieFed

szmer.info lemmy

procial.tchncs.de Firefish

lemmy.today lemmy

lgbtqia.space mastodon

feddit.nu lemmy

novo-atlantis.null.media akkoma

feddit.it lemmy

whiskers.bim.boats lemmy

lemmy.kde.social lemmy

lemmy.myserv.one lemmy

poweredbygay.social mastodon

tankie.tube peertube

lgbt.io mastodon

vegantheoryclub.org lemmy

mander.xyz lemmy

midwest.social lemmy

lemmy.glasgow.social lemmy

transfem.space lemmy

scribe.disroot.org lemmy

dormi.zone lemmy

transfem.social sharkey

the-federation.info

bookwormstory.social lemmy

lemmy.wtf lemmy

orcas.enjoying.yachts lemmy

eviltoast.org lemmy

toast.ooo lemmy

lemmy.max-p.me lemmy

reddthat.com lemmy

lemmy.zip lemmy

urbanists.social mastodon

blackqueer.life mastodon

undernopretext.social mastodon

mycrowd.ca akkoma

lemmy.studio lemmy

possumpat.io lemmy

lemmy.sdf.org lemmy

union.place mastodon

femboys.bar lemmy

fanaticus.social lemmy

poptalk.scrubbles.tech lemmy

links.hackliberty.org lemmy

feddit.cl lemmy

lemmy.dbzer0.com lemmy

weatherishappening.network mastodon

ttrpg.network lemmy

discuss.online lemmy

thelemmy.club lemmy

monyet.cc lemmy

adultswim.fan lemmy

lemmy.eco.br lemmy

lemmy.radio lemmy

lemdro.id lemmy

codesink.io lemmy

lemmy.blugatch.tube lemmy

pricefield.org lemmy

snowdin.town akkoma

fediseer.com

seafoam.space akkoma

toots.matapacos.dog hometown

lemmy.ml lemmy

jlai.lu lemmy

kyberpunk.social lemmy

lemmy.fan lemmy

ljs.social mastodon

outerheaven.club akkoma

feddit.dk lemmy

linux.community lemmy

futurology.today lemmy

mtgzone.com lemmy

lemmy.pt lemmy

startrek.website lemmy

discuss.tchncs.de lemmy

feddit.nl lemmy

lemy.lol lemmy

lemmy.one lemmy

iusearchlinux.fyi lemmy

Previous federation discussion postshttps://hexbear.net/post/277508

https://hexbear.net/post/280770

https://hexbear.net/post/335632

https://hexbear.net/post/369410

https://hexbear.net/post/369412

https://hexbear.net/post/458637

https://hexbear.net/post/504353

https://hexbear.net/post/514276

https://hexbear.net/post/528899

https://hexbear.net/post/552815

https://hexbear.net/post/1712067

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think it's really fun to federate with places and deride the libs, but I'm not the vulnerable population. I love our reputation as the shitheads on the block.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

Dirtbag left reporting for PPBing

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago (5 children)

im pro refederating with lemm.ee and though i know it's probably a pipe dream im also in favour of seeing whether something could be worked out to do like a partial refederation with blahaj zone

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No to blahaj. Let the people of NATO be free from the Hexbearian oppression

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Honestly would prefer a trans only poll on it

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Fair enough, if that's what people want to do. But personally I fail to see what's different from the last time we tried federating with them, which left a bad taste in my mouth that lingers to this day. Is it still full of rabid anti-communists? Yes. Is that one shitty mod who posted Carcosa's DMs still active? Yes. Is the head admin still a weak-kneed lib unwilling to take any action against those things? Also yes

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah I think if we refed blahaj this would be the time. Gotta be merciless with the bans.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The admin over there is bad, and if federation has taught me anything it's that federation with an instance with bad admin is a nonstarter

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This this this. We can make a lot of ground with new comrades through a few of these instances if we continue to be clear about and uphold our community standards. If that means more mods on more communities for a while to keep things clear and uphold TC69 thought so be it. But I think we have a lot to gain by putting in the work as a community here.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

The issue with blahaj is the admin is very difficult and the chasers will probably leak through the cracks, even if our queer communities are private.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

lemm.ee can probably work, their admin tries to be reasonable even if he's a lib with serious brainworms. blahaj probably cant work, their admin is a serious shitlib who doesn't attempt to be reasonable

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago

As always I'm quite happy for us to federate with other instances freely. We've always done a great job of keeping out the problem-causing users.

More Lemmy tools to regulate that is neat and hopefully means people can feel more confident in Hexbear remaining a safe space while we do so.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't think this will end well. .ee has always been an instance with a massive reactionary problem and it hasn't gotten any better. They just recently started hosting a community that was banned from another instance for outright eco-fascism. I get when people have a desire to dunk on nazis, but there's better ways to do that than to invite the fascists into your living room.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I think it could work out ok. Certain communities intended as safe/exclusive spaces (e.g. [email protected] or [email protected]) can block .ee, while other communities like [email protected], [email protected], or [email protected] may opt to allow more reactionary visitors for discussion.

I suppose it does remove the option to browse outside of 'subscribed' for those who want to stay in the safe spaces. The alternative is requiring Hexbear as a site to default to the most exclusive set of instances, which may be more strict than some Hexbears want or need.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, i get the idea behind this and it's kinda interesting as an experiment. I absolutely appreciate the functionality behind it and i also get that my extremely negative views on federation don't have a majority on this site. Like, if it was up to me, we wouldn't even be federated with .ml or grad, and that's obviously not something most users here would go along with. So keeping some comms internal and others public-facing seems like a viable compromise in general.

I'm just saying i have a bad feeling about how it will turn out in this specific case. .ee always had a way too large share of problematic users and that can't get any better after they've just lifeboated a bunch of literal death cultists.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

There's no point in using Lemmy if we're not going to federate with anybody. Lemmy is still missing features that an old school forum has. Why bother with an inferior social media platform?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A comm modelled after r/collpase, we had a thread on here about it recently. Tried to find it, but no luck so far.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I may not be for blocking ee on traa, will need to dig through the modlog and see how important that is Edit: Yeah it appears we had no removals from ee, seems fine

Most off-site removals were from sjw and discuss.de

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I will continue to browse on local and feel contempt for the @s that i see

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

For anyone's information, main, news, politics, and marxism are not going to switch to local only barring any extenuating circumstances.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Consider this my kick in the butt to get the polyam community more active I didn't realize it had been so long since anyone posted there. Oops. Life has been ridiculous lately.

Also if anyone does want to please mod them I clearly could use the help and I really do want it to be a real community eventually

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah best of Hexbear never really got off the ground mb

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

no worries if you or no one else wants to step in you are welcome to lock it (set it to only moderators can post) and we consider it shuttered until someone wants to take it back up

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For a moment I thought /c/librehab was "libre hab". I was thinking it was about using free-software/free-hardware projects for home automation like Home Assistant.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What happens to the posts and comments in those comms if the comms get removed?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

If the moderator wants to lock them they can be shuttered as is otherwise they can be removed. Removed communities can be restored at any time they are just not visible/interactable to users. In short the posts and comments cannot be seen/interacted with unless restored at a later time, where as a locked/shuttered community would have visible/interactable posts/comments but nothing new can be made

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

On that note what are the rules for dealing with libs and other fascists? Like how far can we go? I caught a ban from reddit years ago for telling fascists to suck lead too many times so I haven't been doing that here, but when fascists come into our space and tell me I should support genocide it's kind of the most appropriate response, IMO.

I don't want to get banned because I "overreacted" to the fascists if we let them back in. And .ee absolutely has them

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not a mod, but I think anything but suicide baiting is allowed.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Correct, encouraging self harm is not okay but other than that we take a gloves off approach.

kind-vladimir-ilyich

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No telling fascists "follow your leader"? 19 84

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That one specific meme is a grey area. Personally as someone that suffers from intrusive thoughts I don't like it but I am also guilty of using it in some cases.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

It's what got me banned from r/worldnews years ago

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

I think this is a great feature, the more comms I can consolidate under this account the better. Being able to protect specific sub's from brigades while leaving others open is ultimately good for the network as a whole. Private comms are going to be a great edition too. Hopefully this allows more instances to be federated even if it's partial.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think re federating lemmee would be fine, but only them for now. When private comm get more updates like the ability to choose which instance to block, then i would be open to federation with more big instances.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What about us? I love my hexbear comrades...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

You are fine, im mostly refering to refederation with shitworks and blahaj

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

doesn't hexbear already have private commmunities? they are mentioned here and there. i can't access any of them which i always assumed was due to not being invited or something.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

there was a previous feature (pre-federation) that hid the community from the all feed if a user wasn't subscribed to it which was referred to as a private community but is actually a hidden community. The feature being added in 19.4 prevents the community from federating out or being seen without a local user account

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

as a trans person, im anti blahaj

i don't want to be subjected to liberal brainworms taking over my siblings and niblings

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

I say we make every comm private except The Dunk Tank and use it as bait

They'll come in and see us making fun of what they think are totally normal takes and walk right into it

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just wanted to post that while I'm always against federation, I am grateful to the mods and admins here who work so hard to preserve the culture of this site while also being federated

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for the federation chicken chicken-bop

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)
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