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[–] [email protected] 309 points 5 months ago (17 children)

The difference in results between Scandinavia and the rest of the EU is very interesting. A well-working educational system is clearly the best weapon against fascism.

[–] [email protected] 144 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Also, a well working social system with low corruption. But it's a bit chicken and the egg sort of situation.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

It's really not that simple. Look at Austria, for example. It's also a lot about culture and society itself and how it developed. We are exporting nazis ffs. Shit that gets people thrown out of parties in Germany (like Krah) is just another Tuesday in Austria. And we have a great educational system. Of course with ways to improve.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 months ago

Austrian Nazis? now I've heard everything!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Krah wasn't kicked out, they just didn't want him to show up to events because of looks. Now that the election is over watch them fully embrace that treasonous, SS glorifying nazi back as their top candidate. Also I bet it will not take longer than two weeks until LePenne forgets that the AfD is more and more admiting to be fascist and welcomes them back to ID

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

It really depends, there's plenty of ways to politicize an educational system and call it well-working. I think a more crucial distinction would be to teach people to be able to discern good sources from shit sources and how they can be manipulated without realizing it, and having taught across several semesters, if a good education system is simply not viable (i.e. poorer EU countries).

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[–] [email protected] 167 points 5 months ago (21 children)

So goddamn sick of fascist populists. Fuck humanity, so fucking stupid it can’t help but shit the bed and fuck everyone else right along with em

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (22 children)

Fascism doesn't just come and go because people wax and wane in collective stupidity, it's a very specific set of conditions including Class Colaborationism, rising nationalism, and declining material conditions causing people to long for "the good old days" and "take care of our own, the immigrants are stealing from us so we can't." The Class Colaborationism bit is important, because it explains why Social Democracies are especially vulnerable to fascism, as Social Democracy is also based on Class Colaborationism, just not based on nationalism and violent suppression.

People don't randomly become fascist out of nowhere, it's a failure to move forward and improve conditions that is being taken advantage of by bad actors to solidify power.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago

Your post describes exactly the state I'm in. Fuck all these greedy fucks, fuck the dumb shits that vote them, fuck the conservatives enabling these Nazi fucks.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (12 children)

So goddamn sick of fascist populists

They're the only ones allowed to do any populism. Ratchet keeps tightening, because centrists refuse to do anything nice for people and leftists who obtain the power to do so get labeled "tankie" and run out of office.

So of course, the only people allowed to say anything with a baseline public appeal are going to win a fucking popularity contest

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I was a pessimist, therefore the results have actually come out pretty good to me. Far right didn't win Belgium, and Left party gained a lot of seats in Finland while right wing parties lost seats. Yeah Germany (eyes them suspiciously) and France turned out very right, but a lot of the other countries stayed about ideologically the same or gained left leaning seats.

Overall it seems it's balanced enough to keep going with the corporate accountability / public convenience stuff we've been seeing here in the EU, especially related to tech.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (7 children)

i don't remember a time France wasn't reactionary (in my lifetime obviously). they were in the islamophobia business way before it was cool everywhere else.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 5 months ago (7 children)

It's sad, but predictable. Here's to hoping for strong antifascist resistance on the ground as the EU itself teeters down the fascist pipeline.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Antifa will do absolutely nothing. Either these countries start taxing the rich and providing basic needs for their population or the right will rise.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 5 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 151 points 5 months ago (13 children)

Far right parties gaining significant popularity especially in France and Germany. It's not great for the neo-liberal centre who created and perpetuated the economic downturn we're all in and indicates a failure of the left to present a coherent alternative. There's a lot to unpack about it. France has already dissolved their parliament and triggered an election because of these results.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Netherlands also going great. At least the xenophobes hate Europe so much they don't bother showing up for European elections to simply say they want less foreigners.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (18 children)

Netherlands actually didn't change much. PVV got +5, but FvD (a worse PVV) lost 4. And the VVD (where Wilders came from originally) also lost 1, so it kinda cancels out. Same goes for the left parties which went from 9 to 8, but that seat went to a progressive center party.

Overall very little has shifted here. And it seems at the European level the same coalition will continue too.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I don't know yet but I saw "Polexit" on the Polish ballot and didn't know if I should laugh or fucking cry

[–] [email protected] 88 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Oh it would not be Polexit. There are way better names available than that. Polout, for example.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 months ago

Poles out for Harambe

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 69 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Love how people look at GB, see their much bigger economy, see the results of Brexit and be like: Bro, I think we would do better.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Can someone translate this meme into FreedomBurger™ units?

[–] [email protected] 135 points 5 months ago (13 children)

EU is having a moment because their Trumper types gained a lot of seats. They can't pretend it's just an American problem anymore.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago

Thanks for dumbing it down for us colonials.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm actually hopeful that America had a brush with death and may shy away from that noise this time. We've got about 30% of the population still holding that loaded gun to our heads, but I think the rest of us understand what happens if we let them pull the trigger. Time will tell.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

I hope the rest of us understand that Treason Flag Alito and Corrupt Clarence are on a team considering whether or not to hand the president a Long Knife.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

We never did

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We didn't get to see the rest of Europe in "children of men", but I am guessing that is what's coming

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Hey, Finland got pretty good results.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Denmark as well, I guess I know which direction I am fleeing towards, when fascism resurges here in Germany.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (14 children)

more like when we still believe a burgeois state will put good politicians in power.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

In Austria seeing FPÖ winning is like a slap into the face.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's "win stupid prizes," still, right?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (26 children)

France is collapsing right before our eyes. Give it until year-end to turn into a totalitarian country.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be so pessimistic, the erosion of democracy is usually a relatively slow process. Poland went 8 years under its equivalent to NF and still managed to win its democracy back.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (7 children)

France you'd better get this right, or else you're in for years of 'La Peine'

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Austria could have gone worse, despite the FPÖ up. In Germany you have this kind of cordon sanitaire, the other parties have an agreement of sorts to never cooperate with the AfD, the CDU/CSU has been a bit flimsy on that though.

Meanwhile in Austria, the FPÖ has been around forever and used to represent some liberal politics way back when so they didn't have that cordon sanitaire, including coalition governments between the ÖVP (the equivalent of the CDU/CSU but imbroiled somehow in more political turmoil in recent years) and FPÖ on numerous occasions. And what happened in this election is that basically three seats went from the ÖVP straight to the FPÖ.

Basically Austrian representation in the EU probably got marginally worse for all it matters, but in turn the CDU/CSU saw that any cooperation with the AfD would just lead to voters of theirs just going to the AfD in the long run, strengthening the case for a cordon sanitaire.

At least I hope that's how they'll interpret it. The other Austrian shift was one from the Greens to the heavily pro-EU NEOS, as much as I'll disagree on some of their domestic policies when it comes to their EU politics they're a bit more palatable.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Germany is being interpreted as a disaster, but the only hard right party is the AfD and they're up around 5% it looks like... and there are 13 other parties about to represent Germany in the EU parliament. France is looking terrible though, at least the RN has at least pretended to cut off ties to the AfD. And the equivalent of the CDU/CSU in France is near death, so it's not like voters in the middle had anywhere to go other than Macron or RN.

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