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submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

I trust Trump about as far as I can throw him, and at the end of the day it's really the Pentagon calling the shots here not the POTUS.

But dudes clearly speaking to a public sentiment here.

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[-] [email protected] 98 points 1 week ago

Biden and the Dems are so bloodthirsty that Trump is the nominal antiwar position. I hate this fucking place

[-] [email protected] 76 points 1 week ago

Trump is the nominal antiwar position

Trump isn't anti-war, or at least I don't trust him to be actually anti-war. He's anti-this-war, but his administration did plenty of hawkish shit towards Iran and Venezuela. I'm not even confident he'll actually do anything to deescalate in Ukraine, I think it's all bluster.

[-] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago

not to mention he ramped up drone strikes 400% more than obama

[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

one of the few things I'm willing to give Biden credit for - he stopped the drone strikes

[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

same here. and I have never heard a liberal mention it

[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Did he really, or did he just change who's using them?

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Wow. Credit where credit's due. I didn't know this.

Source

[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

At this point basically every influental politician in US is just Holden Bloodfeast

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[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

same with Orban vs EU

[-] [email protected] 78 points 1 week ago

The problem with Trump is not that he can't read the room. On the contrary, that's part of the problem. The room is filled with transphobic, military thumping, chauvinist, xenophobic, treat gobbling bullshit.

[-] [email protected] 71 points 1 week ago

Gee, why doesn't he feel the same about Palestine? brow

[-] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  1. us-foreign-policy

  2. Trump knows how to read the room, and ending the war in Ukraine is a rewarding grift. Ending the genocide in Palestine is not nearly as rewarding

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Our big wet boy is a huge zionist

[-] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Love when every Republican president for the past fifty years is ideologically to biden's left

edit: they're right, Bush is the only exception (and still to Biden's left on border and immigration policy)

[-] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago

every Republican president for the past fifty years is ideologically to biden's left

Lets not overstate things, mission-accomplished was a fucking monster, probably worse than Trump and Biden.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago
[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Yeah on second thought, he's def worse than both, probably worse than both combined depending on how you calculate that.

[-] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago

come on, don't forget the oil man no-oil

[-] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago

Senator Biden supported the Iraq attack 2003 and signed off on bunches of his legislation

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

I always wonder how instrumental W was to the invasion plan. Not to hand it to him at all, but he always seemed just not interested in being president let alone personally make the invasion a reality.

[-] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I trust Trump about as far as I can throw him... But dudes clearly speaking to a public sentiment here.

Reiterating all this (that Trump doesn't really care, won't have total control of foreign policy, and this is mostly a play to popular sentiment), there's a lesson here in how to present ideas so that people agree with them.

Talking about a single issue and giving a humanist position on it will beat an ideological position that necessarily (because it's your whole ideology!) invokes other issues. Trump could have given an eloquent anti-imperialist take (lmao) and it would not have played as well. But "we need to stop all this killing?" Who's going to disagree with that? It reveals all the NATO freaks as the monsters they are for playing geopolitics with people's lives. Same as if you talk about healthcare in terms of "the richest country in the world shouldn't have people choosing between medicine and rent" instead of starting with the ideological basis for that belief.

Not to say you should never get into ideology, just that the humanist justification for positions should be at the forefront, because it keeps the discussion focused and is harder to oppose. It does help to think about how best to present these ideas; that's a lot of what politics is.

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Trump was already president and his foreign policy was pretty bad. He threw Rojavah to Turkey and was trying hard to start a war with Iran, assassinated Soleimani, and people just forgot about that when the pandemic started. He tried to coup Venezuela for guaido, remember that pathetic boat thing where they all got caught immediately? Remember the Bolivian coup that Amerikkka was almost certainly involved in?

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Yeah but see that's comparatively GOOD foreign policy, just a list of failures except for assassinating that guy

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Biden also has had a ton of failures. Assassinating Soleimani easily could've started a war that would've killed hundreds of thousands, we really don't need to hand it to him.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

He threw Rojavah to Turkey

To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, to be her ally is fatal

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

We need an emoji of this with Trump's hair photoshopped on with how often this happens.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

A quick and dirty version

[-] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago

Biden and any other POTUS runs US Imperialism by the playbook. Trump will not change US Imperialism, but he does disrupt it and panics the deep state (Industrialists and the MIC), I don't think any other POTUS would've gone to the DPRK

[-] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago

The DPRK meeting is a perfect embodiment of the "upside" to Trump's foreign policy: noisy, not anything a regular president would do, and ultimately did not change the status quo even slightly.

And of course the downside is getting us closer to war with Iran (twice, I believe) than we've been in decades.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

Still paint me skeptical he would really do any meaningful damage.

Whatever I ain't voting for either of them.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

We have a saying on Vulcan: Only Nixon can go to China, and only Trump can go to the DPRK

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