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Biden support slips in deep blue New York: ‘We’re a battleground state now’ (www.politico.com)
submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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It pops up as paywalled in Chrome, but not Firefox. Not on archive.org, so here's a tl;dr:

"Two private polls conducted in a swing New York House district and reviewed by POLITICO — one in September and another in March — found former President Donald Trump leading Biden there by 1 point, a virtual tie. And public polls over the last four months found Biden’s lead had winnowed to just 8 points across New York — an unusually narrow gap in a state where Democrats outnumber Republicans 2 to 1.

“We’re still acting like this is a one-party state, which for pretty much 20, 25 years it has been,” Democratic Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine said. “I truly believe we’re a battleground state now.”

A Biden lead of 8 points in a state he carried by 23 in 2020 is a huge loss of support.

Current polling:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/new-york/

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

His home state (Pennsylvania) went R once after the 1988 election...

But suddenly it's a "battleground" now too? He's down 4 points in his own backyard. Although technically most of his time was in Delaware, the corporate tax haven of America. The corporations that "live" in Delaware still love Joe. But the humans in Delaware are still for trump by like 3 points....

Despite Delaware being solid blue since 1988...

Turns out when we have Joe Biden, any state can be a battleground state!

I don't why people keep letting him pretend that a 34% approval rating is fine and 81 years old isn't really that old. This election is serious, and we can't afford to just plod along ignoring all the warning signs that Joe has to go

It doesn't matter what he wants or if he feels he's ready

It's too important to let him treat this like a personal decision between him and "the Lord God".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Because the corporations that own the media and the DNC want a Trump dictatorship

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

The really dangerous part about these polls is the potential impact on the house. Biden could win these states, but still lose ground in the house which makes the victory more pyrrhic than anything.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

To those downvoting this comment (and every other comment critical of Biden):

What is the percentage of loss you are willing to accept before you call for Biden's removal from the ticket?

Is it 10%? 20%? 80%?

When will you be willing to consider a different candidate? Surely there's a number...I'd just like to know what it is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The problem is, as I've noted previously, the time to replace him was last September. It's too late at this point.

Here are the scenarios:

  1. Biden runs and loses, which is the current track.

  2. DNC forces Biden out for Harris, who loses, because people hate her more than Biden.

  3. DNC forces both Biden and Harris out for a new candidate, who loses, because voters feel they had no role in choosing the replacement.

The only way I see a "D" win here is for Biden to die in office, Harris steps up and gets a sympathy vote.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Respectfully disagree. It took France a couple of weeks to form the New Popular Front, which just won HUGE. Why wouldn't it be possible to form a similar coalition in the US?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There is zero chance that the DNC steps aside for a third party...

And there's like a 0.0001% chance they pick anyone except Kamala if Biden is replaced.

I think she has a better shot than Joe. Some people think the other way.

If the DNC allowed it, there is plenty of time for a primary. The DNC just isn't going to do that. Because the incoming Dem president gets to set the DNC leadership and party platform. If a Republican wins, the party usually votes to maintain leadership.

So for current leadership when the choices are:

  1. Biden or Kamala win
  2. Trump wins
  3. Someone voters want wins

The only way they lose power is #3. If trump wins, they keep power and 2028 is the same shit show we've been living thru.

Understanding doesn't mean I agree with it.

But that's where we're at right now. Biden and the DNC are willing to burn the country down for personal power. And regardless of if he wins or loses, the people in charge of the DNC stay in charge of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because the US doesn't have a Parliamentary system of government.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not talking about forming a new party. I mean forming a coalition.

I'm just tired of hearing "it's too late" when it's quite obviously not too late.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In a non-Parliamentary government, there's nobody to form a coalition with.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

OMG, you're making this more difficult than it needs to be.

Ok...coalesce around a new candidate. Find someone fucking else. There's still time and France just proved it. How can you say it's too late?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because any new candidate has 118 days to rise to prominenance and win the election, that's not enough time.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

118 days

Oddly specific number. Care to share the law in which this figure is stated?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That’s the number of days until Election Day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Plus one. Kind of a dumb and flippant comment, especially from a mod, but 🤷🏼‍♂️.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Democrats keep punching left at those here in the US trying to form coalitions like New Popular Front.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Polling shows that people don't hate Harris more though. In this context she's more popular than both Biden and Trump.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/03/14/kamala-harris-not-popular-beyond-democrats-poll/72944269007/

"The national survey found 52% of registered voters disapprove of her job performance as President Joe Biden's vice president.

About 36% approve of how she’s handling the role, trailing Biden's almost equally dismal 41% approval rating.

Roughly 38% of Americans have a favorable view of Harris, lagging behind Biden, who is viewed favorably by 41% of registered voters. Former President Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, was viewed favorably by 40% of respondents in the poll."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

You have to look at aggregate polls, single polls don’t provide a clear picture.

Biden’s approval rating is -19.3 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

Trump’s favorability rating is -11.8 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

Harris’ approval rating is -12 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/kamala-harris/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Perhaps look at more recent polling after Biden'sfailure in the debate, not numbers from May.

Recent polls suggest Harris could do better than Biden against Trump, the Republican candidate, although she would face a tight contest.

A CNN poll released on July 2 found voters favor Trump over Biden by six percentage points, or 49% to 43%. Harris also trailed Trump, 47% to 45%, within the margin of error. It also found independents back Harris 43%-40% over Trump, and moderate voters of both parties prefer her 51-39%.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll after last week's televised debate between Trump and a faltering Biden found Harris and Trump were nearly tied, with 42% supporting her and 43% backing him.

[Reuters]

She's more popular with women and independents than Biden, which are two of the main groups Biden has been attempting to court to make up for losing the anti-genocide vote. There are no downsides, Biden's a guarunteed loss, his numbers match up with every losing presidential candidate going back decades.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Harris, while hindered by being in the administration, can also distance herself from Biden's overwhelming support. She doesn't need to say "from the river to the sea", just being wishy washy could give some people the room to vote Democratic for other reasons.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is no percentage that will sway them. They would rather have Trump than admit they're capable of being wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

The hubris is astounding.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Its a cult downvoting you mang. They are called "Blue Maga".

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's starting to seem that way. Really sad and disappointing how hypocritical people are.

We were supposed to be the party of integrity; the party who stood for what was right; the party who was unafraid to challenge the status quo. Now, it just seems like we are two shitty sides of the same fucking awful coin.

Watching the American experiment fail is truly the most heartbreaking thing I've ever experienced in my life.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s starting to seem that way.

For many of us, we've been witness to the cult forming around Biden for quite a long time.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago

I concur.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago

I hate Donald Trump with the passion of 1,000 suns, but I am getting tired of him being right about stuff, in his own wrong way.

He spouted off some nonsense about Fani Willis' "boyfriend", which we all thought was the dementia talking, until his lawyers brought the receipts.

He spouted off about how the Supreme Court would bail him out of the NY charges, and we all thought that couldn't happen, until that ruling came out and it did happen, at least temporarily.

I specifically remember reading a link saying that Trump said NY would be in play, and we all dismissed it, and now this.

Whoever is feeding Trump his info is spot-on.