lee carter has gone through a cool arc. from demsoc to communist. from cis to not.
this post was submitted on 12 Jul 2024
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I actually got into an argument with them(? Can't see if they've settled on pronouns) a while back on Twitter and they said they're a construction worker now. Their main problem is that they are way too much of a poster to be in politics
That is an incredibly eggy tweet tbf
It really is. That is like the most "internal pressure cooker egg entering a meltdown state where everything cracks and has to be reevaluated" thing I've ever seen. It's the kind of shit I was telling myself like 13 years ago I guess it is now.
I enjoy being a man
As someone who made a choice to be cis, it’s hard to describe how much I feel this and how I get what he’s saying.
As someone who made a choice to be cis
I would love to hear more about that
Just my drunken two cents, not op, etc:
Idk if it was a choice for me (just who I am?) but this is my position personally after thinking about my gender. I'm amab but have always been vaguely femme(ish) especially my voice. Was constantly misgendered as a kid and even into adult life, especially on the phone. Never enjoyed "masculine" things growing up, hated sports etc, was always at odds with traditional gender expectations. Was constantly told that the things I enjoyed were "not manly", and that I should be more like the other boys etc. Never once questioned that I was a man, just figured that whatever "being a man" was was absolute BS and didn't apply to me.
Met my SO in college, and then a few years later when they were going through their gender struggles to realize they were NB, interrogated my own gender and realized that we had a lot of similar experiences. But I sort of landed on that I identified as a man still, just that the overwhelming majority of things that "made someone a man" were absolute horse shit made up by and foisted on me by society etc.
So I guess long story short I identify as a cis man but reject whatever bullshit society wants to put on me as "masculine" or whatever. Idk what anyone wants to label that as, but I'm a man and I'll do what I want, and whatever that is I consider manly, because I'm a man and I do it so there.
Wow, this is actually so similar to me except I ended up identifying as NB
So I guess long story short I identify as a cis man but reject whatever bullshit society wants to put on me as "masculine" or whatever. Idk what anyone wants to label that as, but I'm a man and I'll do what I want, and whatever that is I consider manly, because I'm a man and I do it so there.
This was literally my position almost word for word for a long time
It definitely resonated with my partner and apparently was a decent base point for them to consider their gender and come to an entirely different conclusion lol. But it's funny being a cis guy who went through basically the entire process and just decided "nah I'm good"
Absolutely, I'm happy just to have set aside a whole bunch of cis baggage I never wanted or asked for
Oh for sure! I am glad I actually had to confront my thoughts about gender, regardless of the outcome, thanks to my partner. In a better world none of this crap would be forced onto kids and we could just be ourselves without having to first deconstruct everything society says we should be
Oh this really resonates with me as an afab as well. I have broad shoulders and have never managed to be a woman in the way I was expected/supposed to. Too loud, too opionated, too physical, too strong, too into "manly" things. I also was misgendered growing up sometimes, but in my mind I was always trying to be a girl, or just fit in. And then again I wasn't, I hated the gender rules as a kid. This also lead to some complicated body image issues and things like extreme dieting that took me to late adulthood to unpack. And it also lead to leaning into those non-conforming parts of me like liking weight lifting and being proud of my different way of being a woman.
But I am still not sure what I am, but am starting to think I probably could be cis (or not). Then again I would most prefer to just "be me" aka the call me by my name. I have always identified most with just being me, no gender necessarily relevant.
I have also recently suspected neurodiversity plays into this a lot. I definitely relate to the frustration of what bs society wants us to be, I also used to give a lot of pushback to this and got the label of difficult as a result, haha.
I have also recently suspected neurodiversity plays into this a lot. I definitely relate to the frustration of what bs society wants us to be, I also used to give a lot of pushback to this and got the label of difficult as a result, haha.
Honestly now that you say it I think this applies to me as well, because it isn't just gender related social expectations that I tend to eschew. And I definitely had a way harder time learning those expectations growing up before I was able to sort of ignore them. Mostly stuff like what goals and ambitions average people have, and what life path everyone is supposed to follow. And on that count I never really got more than an eyebrow raise in response, and no one ever considered me difficult (as far as I know at least).
I really enjoy knowing that at least a couple people here have had this same sort of experience growing up and figuring out themselves, because IRL I never meet anyone who does. I love this site and my Hexbear comrades
Right? And it's in all the expectations.
It kind of feels like one of the qualities or a neurodiverse life might be non-conformity and questioning norms / seeing the constructs clear as day. Then again there are people on the spectrum who are very much into rules and norms, but maybe especially for adhd this resonates. I also suspect the being into norms might be masking/self-protection in an oppressive reality. I feel I have had quite a bit of privilege in being able to openly "be difficult" so much.
I used to and would get very annoyed by other bs rules that were just thrown around as well, things like who are and are not ok to play with as a kid. Or what are girls toys and what are boys. Or how people would shun folks from different walks of life just because "that's what you do". I used to typically choose to go againts the grain on such things very much on purpose and in my mind to reveal the unseriousness of them. Norms about sex, religion, the "normal" path in life, none sit well with me and never did. It has a very strong human first and all the normative defitions second basis. This extends to politics and oppression too. I was always puzzled by the way people just take it, whatever is done to them. Like the oppression isn't even noticed and all the things are just some forces of nature that just happen to you when they very much are not. I think all of these are a part of the same in some way.
Right on, I fully agree. As I've grown up too I've been able to look back and kind of reassess the way I grew up and try to recontextualize it now that I have a wider variety of life experiences.
This extends to politics and oppression too. I was always puzzled by the way people just take it, whatever is done to them. Like the oppression isn't even noticed and all the things are just some forces of nature that just happen to you when they very much are not. I think all of these are a part of the same in some way.
This especially, I always was blown away by. I think it really kind of led me to be predetermined to be some kind of leftist. Like I was born and raised to reach these conclusions but I didn't know what words to use to describe them until I discovered that politics left of the democratic party existed lol.
I think they picked a fight with someone from the chapo podcast and people got pissed? Memory is hazy.
HOLY shit that's what it was hahaha I completely forgot about this, Lee's girlfriend (at the time) was working for the Joshua4Congress campaign and Felix joked that Joshua was buying gaming keyboards for people because the campaign reimbursed someone like $500 for a surface laptop keyboard. This subsequently set Lee off even though the joke wasn't even directed at them or their GF LOL.
https://x.com/ByYourLogic/status/1261161269538820098
https://x.com/ByYourLogic/status/1261370481774600200
https://x.com/ByYourLogic/status/1261366992361185280
https://x.com/carterforva/status/1261215103812239361
I'm like 99% sure Lee blocked anyone who interacted with Felix's tweets about it because I am blocked by them. Thanks for prompting my memory cause I was hella confused initially LOL
Terminally online shit
yeah but would you rather have one Lee Carter or one John Fetterman? those are your two choices for Chapo adjacent 'leftists' actually in politics unfortunately........ (I am deliberately forgetting the squad for this joke)
There was also a huge problem in SRA because their gf (at the time) was the social media director or something and went like 6 months without posting anything. It was a paid position. That also led to a meltdown on twitter and in org comms.
this will be the thing that finally gets me to separate Joshua4Congress and Lee Carter in my brain but also lol I tried to view the tweet and have discovered I have been blocked by Lee.....I don't even tweet at people I just retweet shit so I wonder what pissed them off or specific Chapo-adjacent retweet got me caught in a blocklist 
Good for them! They were always a good egg
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okay we got em they ain't coming outta that still cis
SHE KNEW THE WHOLE TIME?????
this is love
Aside from silly Twitter beefs the fact that they were a socialist with a state legislature position and could take credit for cool things (like capping the price of insulin) and then just imploded rather than build a larger socialist project was disappointing to say the least.
Reason number 73267 for why campaigns should be grounded in and run by organizational support and not just whoever says "yes" when a DSA rando asks if you will run for office.
I think being the only socialist in these places puts a ton of pressure on them that would otherwise be distributed to all the members of a socialist caucus. Also, I think, having some sort of ideology and actually trying to live up to it is way more stressful than being a stuffed shirt.
Absolutely. Though an organization can also take on that pressure. Issue statements, run comms in general, plan and execute actions, create recruitment strategies, etc.
The status quo is that lefties try to go it alone or just use orgs during the campaigns and not while in office. This means they are left to use the same mechanisms in a liberal institution that liberals use but without their base of support. They self-isolate, basically.
For a long time I thought this person's name was Carter Forva because of their twitter @ lmao
I remember we had a huge struggle session because they let their neighbor use some of their land for a garden and then asked for some in exchange. People were calling them landed gentry.
did we really? I remember there being some controversy but that one strikes me more as a twitter controversy than here... geez.
edit: wow they found the receipts further down this thread for lee blowing up at felix. that part I remember
Happy for them! They've been a great follow on X, "the everything app"
bruh. wowzer. is every good leftist destined to be trans???
I remember they kept posting anti vegan bullshit which is why I tossed them in the cringe pile