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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (5 children)

"we are afab owned" is such a weird thing to say

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like, it's hard to tell whether they wanted to say female owned or something but had one AFAB enby in management or something and so they wrote this cringe thing out or if they're just TERFS

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

IMO the odds of the former scenario is basically zero. They are either terfs or just incredibly ignorant/out of touch libs who just think its the new way to say women owned. either way its basically just being like "yes, we are exploiting our workers who are much cooler than us, why do you ask?"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't know if they're trying to be inclusive or trans-exclusive. When you say queer-orientated instead of queer/LGBT owned or ally, then that's also strange.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Actually it says queer operated

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Which is much funnier

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Misread the sign. Still weird vibes.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If someone brings up AGAB out of nowhere they most probably have TERF brainworms . Of course it has it's place but it's a term that denotes what you get assigned at birth. People try to use it as a woke placeholder for "biological sex" instead of just writing out what they actually mean and not folding it all into a faulty concept. For example I see it used, sometimes even by trans people, when referring to things like how someone got treated while growing, what hormonal profile they have/used to have, what genitalia they have... Most ridiculous example was AFAB-only housing, which just meant "I'm scawed of twans women owo, not allowed in the womb woom.".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

AFAB-only housing

They may as well say cis women housing, because everyone knows a trans man wouldn't be welcome.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah there's situations where it has a place. There are a few (not many) medical checkups that AMAB individuals should do earlier than AFAB individuals even when we're on HRT, for example. There's legal contexts where it matters, usually due to lack of self ID laws in a given jurisdiction and things like drafts. I sometimes say "queer AMAB youths" when i talk about what the experience of unouted transfems and gay and bisexual men is like during adolescence because we go through a lot of the same shit when people have a hunch we aren't cishet, but can't yet differentiate whether to hit us with transphobia or homophobia (not that they get good at that later in life, either).

In German, i also appreciate that we have terms like männlich / weiblich gelesene Person (person read as male / female) to refer to just how people perceive you - there are situations where it makes sense to refer to that instead of actual gender indetity, like when i'm talking about cis women and unouted or not passing transmasc people being exposed to the same mysogyny from their surroundings.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Probably corncobs

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Women are gay... Or something

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

AFAB owned

Queer operated

oh so you're cishet women petty bourgeois exploiting queer workers? how unique

How does anyone not see through this shit.. "afab owned" is either incredibly out of touch or just straight up terf shit/transmisandry

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Had a discussion about that pic on my trans discord earlier today, apparently somebody is already printing "AFAB owned Queer operated" on panties.

Edit: My guess was this was written by sweaty terfs panicking about cancel culture, but in reality this probably has a 70 / 30 chance of just being some bumbling boomer libs falling over their own feet while trying to be inclusive and getting the lingo all wrong.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Afab owned makes this so sus

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Saying 'Queer Operated' just makes it seem like it's secretly a queer Voltron

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Can't tell if this picture was taken by a large soft serve ice cream...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The kind of coffee shop where they think it would be cool for radicals to meet there, but then they ask you to start meeting elsewhere because you’re scaring paying customers away.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago