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I don't know how meaningful the question really is, and fuck YouGov, but still thought the data were interesting and vaguely positive.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago

Given the party is one step away from explicitly labelling themselves as fascist, it's not too much of a surprise.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

This is from 2023

29% of the UK support Communism

53% of the UK support Socialism

39% of the people asked to define Socialism define it correctly

cat-vibing

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/new-poll-finds-strong-support-for-socialism-in-the-uk

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is actually hecking cool. Despite our shitty electoral politics, there are already a good number of people actually caring about socialism.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Yeah they're very good figures we just need to work on educating more and more people on the definition but the figures are excellent.

That 29% are basically going to form the immediate base of literally any new party effort once it finally goes into action. We are a third of the country.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Worryingly, young people in the U.K. (ages 18-34) also have the highest levels of support for communism (29 per cent) and fascism (19 per cent) among the four countries.

yeah those are both equally worrying!

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That gray bar is black in reality

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I personally think it's mostly people who really have no consciousness about politics whatsoever.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I see that my constant nagging down the pub is slowly having an effect

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

thank you for your service o7

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I do NOT want to see the numbers for America, they'll be way worse

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

I want to see numbers for America, we must know the painful truth.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I do wonder how the question was posed. I don't think many people would openly admit to supporting fascism, but if you broke the question down into certain policy choices I feel like the number would skew higher. But that could just be me.

On the otherhand that would also mean less people are apprehensive about openly admitting they'd support communism, which would be cool.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think many people would openly admit to supporting fascism

which is why i count the "don't know" votes as "fascism, but i'm not gonna say that out loud"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

At least some of them are "communism, but i'm not gonna say that out loud".

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

I do wonder how the question was posed. I don't think many people would openly admit to supporting fascism, but if you broke the question down into certain policy choices I feel like the number would skew higher. But that could just be me.

You can do the same thing with communism. A lot of people like the policies, but shy away when you attach the word "communism" to it thanks to decades of indoctrination.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I love how the worker's party (allegedly) has less people wanting communism than the fucking gardeners party. amerikkka-clap but ukkk instead pls

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

C2DE isn't a party, it's just a social classification

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

somehow better, but also worse to know, thank you

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

I love the wording

If you HAD to choose between a nice sandwich and getting mauled by a wolverine, which would you choose?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

5% of Labour voters preferring fascism must be turbo politically confused.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

no theyre actually the most congnizent of all labour voters, they know wat they really are

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm more baffled by the 25% of Tory voters preferring communism. I want to meet these people who support the conservatives but don't actively want fascism??

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Government does stuffism

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

21% of reform is even more insane, we could form a British ACP to split their vote dean-smile

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Genuinely not a bad idea to reduce their power

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Have you seen Kier Stürmer's policies? Those 5% are the only honest ones.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I get the impression it was very different in the early 20th century, but I honestly think that fascists in the early 21st century on the whole probably don't even realize they're fascists and will reject being called one purely on reflex. You see this particularly well in a lot of terminally online nerd spaces where people will state and argue for cis white male patriarchal supremacist positions without a moments hesitation but will react with complete incredulity if you call them on it. Some of them are being self aware crypto-fasch sure...but a lot of them just deny it because they have just enough awareness and self preservation that they recognize that makes them a bad person and doing any work to be better is much harder than just pretending.

All this is to say: the people who voted in favor of fascism are the ones already excited to slap a swastika on. A huge number of the people who voted "Don't Know" are probably down to fuck with fascism...they would just rather call it liberalism.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Y'all are making a very important conflation

People are largely supportive of communist policies. How to get there and stay there is where most Westerners disagree

Break the commie voters down by how to achieve it and it should be almost all by voting

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

If this keeps up, Churchill is going to send the army into Wales again.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

YO thats enough for a revolution

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I don't know how meaningful the question really is

It's funny how my first thought is to quip that it's meaningful in that fascists might consider rebranding as communists, then I remember that "national socialism" is an actual thing that arguably had some historical significance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

If you gave that survey in the US people would be like "BUT GOMUDISM IS FASHISM!11!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

can't do revolution their parties are too busy hating on the transgenders

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Reactionaries gonna reactionary. The good takeaway is that most people don't really seem to agree with the main parties anyway.