this post was submitted on 17 Sep 2024
551 points (98.6% liked)

politics

19090 readers
4033 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Millions of Americans will vote this fall – but six Republican justices might have the final say, in a Bush v Gore redux

It’s frighteningly easy to imagine. Kamala Harris wins Georgia. The state elections board, under the sway of its new Trump-aligned commissioners, grinds the certification process to a slow halt to investigate unfounded fraud allegations, spurring the state’s Republican legislature to select its own slate of electors.

Perhaps long lines in Philadelphia lead to the state supreme court holding polls open until everyone has a chance to vote. Before anyone knows the results, Republicans appeal to the US supreme court using the “independent state legislature” (ISL) theory, insisting that the state court overstepped its bounds and the late votes not be counted.

Or maybe an election evening fire at a vote counting center in Milwaukee disrupts balloting. The progressive majority on the state supreme court attempts to establish a new location, but Republicans ask the US supreme court to shut it down.

Maybe that last example was inspired by HBO’s Succession. But in this crazy year, who’s to say it couldn’t happen? The real concern is this: if you think a repeat of Bush v Gore can’t happen this year, think again.


🗳️ Register to vote: https://vote.gov/

top 43 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 160 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean, hasn't it been pretty clear for at least a year now that this is the plan.

They have no other plan, they are just letting Trump go down in flames acting like a fucking idiot because they know they don't plan on not contesting anything. From here on out, every election is going to be lawfared to death (if there even is a real one after this).

[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 month ago

I mean, hasn’t it been pretty clear for at least a year now that this is the plan.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Yes. I think some kind of fuckery like mentioned in this post leading to Trump being president again is the most likely outcome of this election, as horrifying as that sentence is to type and ponder.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago

We didn't have to imagine any of that.

2000 happened. They just delay long enough in a key state and SCOTUS decides to use the Constitution as toilet paper again.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Freedom™️

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

With a bunch of those on the court related/involved with the case last time it happened

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a Good Thing the Supreme Court makes Rulings based on Law and NOT Bias or Bribes!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

The /s is mandatory tho

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm actually more worried about threats of violence at polling places in swing states, especially in Democrat districts. Drop a smoke bomb and play sounds of gunfire and watch everybody scatter and stay away out of fear of violence. All it would take is that in one or two key polling places in swing states and watch this election shift right to Trump. And it wouldn't take much. One of them early in the morning in Pennsylvania would have a chilling effect nationwide as word spreads.

[–] sp3tr4l 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

According to a recent FD Signifier video, they have already purged him and a whole ton of other people (cough probably black people cough) from voter rolls in Georgia, he said that hadn't happened to him in nearly a decade, gotta re register, and of course they don't tell you if you've been purged, that onus lies on you to figure out.

Its already illegal to hand out water to people in line for polls.

I would be entirely unsurprised if say I dunno maybe your scenario happens... or maybe they just call in a bunch of bomb threats to polling locations in blue areas, seems to be doing a good job of shutting down Ohio at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Counter it, if it happens, with bomb threats to red areas.

[–] sp3tr4l 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

And then right wing media and talking heads run with only that news and voila the election was rigged, against them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

If they lose, it won't matter the reason. "The elections were rigged". At least make it true for once.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

This is why we need as many people as possible to vote early and or by mail! My state, Texas, doesn’t allow mail-in voting, but voting early takes so much less time and it’s harder for any sort of shenanigans since it is so many more days.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

How big is the crime here? Like what do you get charged with?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've also been thinking and expecting that they will create their own fraud this time. Evidence is what they were missing last time around. So imagine this time, drop boxes get flooded with phony ballots that they themselves put in for Kamala. Then they can point the finger and say "See! We told you so!" and it's enough for the state legislations not to certify and call things into question.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Last time was recon for this time.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We barely pick the president as is.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

The illusion of democracy

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

That’s the whole point of stacking the court with loyalists.

If there’s any avenue to exploit by trumpists to get the validity of the election brought before the court, then absolutely…they will decide in trump’s favor.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Bigger danger that it goes to the House.

If enough states fail to certify the election so that neither candidate hits 270, it goes to the House where it's one state, one vote. Red states outnumber blue states.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

So I guess the GQP has found something better than gerrymandering.

Even if democrats win, there's the very real danger afterwards that nothing is able to be changed just as it has not been able to under Biden, that the Supreme Court can continue to act outside of laws and ethics, that there continues to be no penalty for disinformation and bribes, that the voting system continues to be slanted towards one side, that billionaires continue buying up and manipulating what's reported in key states, that ignorance and bigotry continues to worsen and become more extreme, that key federal agencies are moved to some of the most bigoted and politically slanted states...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election#Effects_on_future_elections_and_Supreme_Court

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore

Also, fuckery, including the Brooke’s Brothers Riot, which forced Miami Dade recounts to stop early and likely gave the election to Bush.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Everyone thought it quaintly humerous that the bankers rioted to flip the election.

In retrospect...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's a danger that US citizens enact term limits for justices before the executive or legislative branches.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

6 months. If after 6 months of sitting on your ass you can't tell right from wrong, fuck you, you're out.....let me demonstrate.... Epstein: pedophile. That was like 3 milliseconds... Trump: shit get rid of him he's all sorts of wrong ew! Ew! That was like 3 nanoseconds. Should women get to choose? Yes. That was a no brainier. Juanita's tree is growing over the neighbors yard and the neighbor keeps eating the apples...ohhh there's precedent here. I must research...yes it's totally legal. Juanita must not know much about trees because she planted it too close to the fence. That was complicated, 3 seconds, I will need 6 months to recover and continue judging these cases, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

General fucking strike if/when it happens.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We don't have enough labor organization in the US for a general strike to really happen. Especially considering a large amount of union members vote Republican and for Trump as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

yeah you're probably right about that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Republicans legislate from the bench, and they are illegalizing Non-GOP politicians

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Angry orange hopes so, anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Successful fuckery with this election will result in widespread violence between neighbors. It could last weeks or longer.

Be ready for neighborhood level violence. Have a plan for you and your family, if even to cover just a few weeks (food, water, electricity, fuel, ammo, barricade materials).

Conservatives are openly trying to fuck this election as hard as they can. The only question is if they will succeed. If they do, neighbors will kill neighbors over it. It will not be peaceful like the time conservatives brazenly stole Florida's votes and gave them to Bush. That was a surprise to the normal people. This will be no surprise at all. This will result in bloodshed.