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[–] [email protected] 2 points 36 minutes ago

OK. I know I'm about to get blown the fuck up but... You will own nothing and be happy. But. Like. Unironically.

I really don't think most people want to manage thousands of music files on their computer. Or hundreds of movie files. Or thousands of picture files. Or hundreds of video game files.

There are definitely options for doing this, but people who go this route are usually tech elite nerds. Not your parents or grandparents. Not normies.

(I self-host Navidrome, Jellyfin, Immich, etc.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

Thank you California law!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

It's a good job Gabe Newell has made gamers comfortable with not owning their games.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

This is solving the wrong problem entirely.

You do own games. They're products. They're mass-market goods, as surely as when they came on plastic rectangles or glass circles.

Being permitted to continue having things on your hard drive is not a service.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 hours ago

Twitter is bad.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 40 minutes ago

You know, I tried telling them this at Hertz, but they still called the cops on me! WTF! I gave them money, they gave me car. What's the problem officer?!?!?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 hours ago

Bad argument piracy has never been stealing

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

If buying becomes owning, will people stop pirating?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 59 minutes ago

If piracy was stealing I would do it even more

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago

People were more inclined to buy software when it was a one time purchase rather than a license subscription (for example Adobe).

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 12 hours ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 hours ago

Good Old Games Games

[–] [email protected] 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

By now my GOG library has far exceeded my Steam library in size. I was surprised by how many games on my Steam wishlist are also on GOG.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago

I would love to do that, but GoG does not have the better regional pricing that steam does.

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[–] [email protected] 185 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I appreciate the transparency tbh. Would be better if things were different but it is what it is for now.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 12 hours ago

For context, Steam is now forced to display this due to a new law passed in California: https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/26/24254922/california-digital-purchase-disclosure-law-ab-2426

Valve is not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

This is also the case for physical copies, and has been since software was first sold

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

That's a lie told by every new industry since the printing press. Books tried writing "by anonymously exchanging money for this mass-produced object, you've secretly entered into a contract that limits your" blah blah blah. Courts threw that shit out, one hundred years ago. Same thing happened for videos and music.

Only software emerged recently enough, and under enough corruption, to keep pretending that opening shrink-wrap was magically the same as ink-on-paper agreement to some negotiated tradeoff.

Moving to digital distribution changed nothing. These assholes would be the first to insist as much. They would agree, you own Factorio on Steam in exactly the same way you own SimCity on SNES. But anyone who points to the cartridge in your hands and insists "you don't own that" is being a fucking idiot.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, if a game needs online activation it doesn't matter which medium you buy...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

According to media lawyers, maybe. But when I have a CD of music, or a game cartridge, I can sell it to someone else. For money. Because it's my copy I'm selling. So, what the fuck are you talking about except ceding the point to corporate lawyers for no good reason?

[–] [email protected] 103 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Its pretty much up to the developer. You can have no DRM and not even require steam to be open, or you can make your game unplayable.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Imo Steam should tell people whether or not a game actually requires Steam (or another form of DRM) to run. I know they already do it for things like Denuvo, but they should also note if the game actually uses Steam as DRM or if the game can be launched without it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

PCGamingWiki has that info for most titles I believe. It would be nice to see it in Steam though.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Afaik, Steam only sells licences.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Steam sells DRM-free games too, you can download them and then uninstall Steam and they will work. In this case though, on top of purchasing the game, you are buying a license to download updates for it through Steam. It's a developer decision.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 20 hours ago

This was always the case, just stated explicitly now

[–] [email protected] 26 points 17 hours ago

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Did California's new law requiring this already go into effect?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 19 hours ago

January 1 2025, guess Steam preferred not waiting in this case

[–] [email protected] 16 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Personally I think we should bring back physical games to PC. Imagine a cartridge like device that can effectively use external storage as swap memory (which copies to ram as needed), laptops and desktops can be built with this while other computers could use an adapter.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Or we could stop humoring companies that want to take people's money and pretend that's not a sale.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Absolutely, ideally we would absolish capitalism

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It may surprise you to learn that selling goods and owning things is not the same as abolishing capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 57 minutes ago

Fundamentally you do not own anything under capitalism, how would you create ownership if capitalism always steers towards what makes the most profit?

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