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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

This is what happens when you start with the assumption that the USA doesn't currently show signs of Fascism, and that Fascism must be done to the US.

The Citizenry is currently engaged in a series of events of stochastic terrorism

Congress is entirely undemocratic

The USA does plenty of massacres, while those are mostly outside of the US. What ICE does is within the US. But Non-citizens don't count I guess.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

astronaut-2---astronaut-1 US has always been fascist

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago

She is so strange

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 hours ago

jesse-wtf

That's a lot of words to say you don't know what fascist means, but you want to carry water for them

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 hours ago

But I'm the "fucking stupid" one. Okay.

Okay! On to the next problem!

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 hours ago

This is such a dumb definition we all know fascism is objectively the right wing of social democracy

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 hours ago

fascism requires the notion that everyone who isn't part of the master race should be massacred

That's Nazism. Fascism is the Mussolini thing.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

passed criminal justice reform

I entirely forgot what Trump did. But I'm still pretty darn sure it was pure politics, superficial, and in no meaningful sense "reform".

personally pardoned black inmates

How many people? ~5? And he pardoned some rappers. That was pure politics too.

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If some net rando gets the details wrong - I don't think anything of it. But politics is her fucking job and it pays her mortgage and her bills. How can anybody be so stupid?

Ninja edit. It's a rhetorical question of course.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

brags about not starting any wars

He actually did start a war in Niger the press just didn't report on it

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

And he almost started one by assassinating Soleimani. It certainly seemed like he as trying to start a war then. Not to mention the trade war with China.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You get the timing wrong. He assassinated Soleimani after he withdrawn from attacking Iran, to have last word and to placate republican warhawks. There was no risk of war then already unless Iran would openly attack USA which they wouldn't did.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

He attacked Iran right after he withdrew from attacking Iran? That makes no sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Again read my post slowly and read about the assassination itself. That attack was a bone thrown to the rep warhawks and a consolation prize to placate them after they were denied the war with Iran. It wasn't attack on Iran itself, it wasn't even in Iran, and Iran also didn't treated it like the act of war (note they did also not really declared war after multiple assassinations of Iranian offcials on Iranian soil by Isn'treal, and their answer might be the same since every now and then "someone" do bomb US bases in Iraq and Syria).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 32 minutes ago) (1 children)

That attack was a bone thrown to the rep warhawks

You don't get to do that. You don't get to assassinate the commander of Iran's armed forces while he's on a diplomatic mission and then say 'oopsies, this is just a consolation prize as we avoid war with Iran'. That's nonsensical and also revisionist. Trump looked like shit for days after that attack while the iran war caucus was ecstatic precisely because of how much closer to war the entire region got. Iran did in fact treat this as an attack, which is why retaliations had to be arranged.

Trump and Bolton didn't step back away from war. They incited it. It was Iran who chose to deescalate when they called the Americans and arranged for face saving measures instead of starting the war we see today.

Iran and the rest of the resistance have been in a hybrid war against the US and Israel for decades. The fact that Israel can also kill whoever they want and bomb whoever they want is not an indication that peace reigns or that doves reign supreme. It's an indication that the NATO powers have been able to wage war with impunity. Nothing more, nothing less.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

Jess wtf are you even talking about.

You don’t get to do that. You don’t get to assassinate the commander of Iran’s armed forces while he’s on a diplomatic mission and then say ‘oopsies, this is just a consolation prize as we avoid war with Iran’.

Unless you are the most fucking unhinged empire on planet who just geared up for war to 11:59 and then abruptly stopped because the target proven they can defend themseleves. Also you speak as if USA ever gave a shit about unnecessary detalis like diplomacy or international opinion. For fucks sake foreign secretary back then was Pompeo, possibly the worst diplomat i've ever seen (at least outside Isnt'real). For him and Trump their party bonzos opinion is 1000 times more valuable than everyone, and they were sorely disappointed no blood has flown so they get at least one head.

Trump looked like shit for days after that attack while the iran war caucus was ecstatic precisely because of how much closer to war the entire region got

Like no shit sure he was, he wanted it just the same, but most likely got advised by Pentagon to not do it in last minute when Iranian air defense proven they were much superior to anything US expected when Iran shot down their best stealth drone with old 60's Soviet missile just with more modern locally produced radar & guidance system. THIS stopped the war, nothing else. This was 20 june 2019, US backed from war soon after and Soleimani was murdered 3 january 2020.

Trump and Bolton didn’t step back away from war. They incited it.

They incited war which didn't happened? Did USA bombed Iran? Invaded it? War did started? No. So while they did pushed for it, they backed down, or more accurately Trump did, Bolton was sacked (10 september 2019, after the dron shot down but before Soleimani murder) precisely because he still pushed for it when Trump and the administration decided to back down.

It was Iran who chose to deesclate when they called the Americans and arranged for face saving measures instead of starting the war we see today.

Lol fucking lmao this would be first time in history when the potential target of US manage to avoid being attacked by "calling them". The only way you can do it is to show force, which is precisely what they did (or have nukes like DPRK). Also, did you just suggested that Soleimani's death was Iran giving him up so the US can "save face"? because there surely wasn't any other "success" of the US back then in the region.

Iran did in fact treat this as an attack, which is why retaliations had to be arranged.

yes they did, but they didn't openly attacked US in retaliation and surely didn't go to war with US. They added it to the book but regardless what US did they wouldn't escalate to war just after they avoid war just to avenge one man, funnily of you to engage in such vulgar great man theory after calling me "revisionist" lol. Also name that retaliation - what did they do, precisely, and how it even fits in you subsequent words about Iran deescalating.

Iran and the rest of the resistance have been in a hybrid war against the US and Israel for decades. The fact that Israel can also kill whoever they want and bomb whoever they want is not an indication that peace reigns or that doves reign supreme.

Again jesse what the fuck are you just strawmanning me into here, "peace reigns or that doves reign supreme"??? Lol where i did ever said that lol.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 hours ago

And maintaining the current wars and trying to do coups isn't exactly a good thing either. But libs are just this fucking scratched at this point.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 hours ago

Didn't his admin also drop an MOAB in Afghanistan? That's one of if not the largest non nuclear bomb out there

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

How can Ana Kasperian try to champion Trump's criminal justice reform when she uses her platform to rail against bail reform laws and do the same crime fearmongering that they do on MSM? Scratched liberal is scratched.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 hours ago

Ana is doing a Dave Rubin grift. She's a fascist

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 hours ago

Just a few days she said something about the left loving crime or some shit

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago

Ok. Fine. I'll bite.

PUT THE PHONE DOWN

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 hours ago

I mean, if you lean too hard into calling Trump a fascist, you have to start justifying why all the Democratic Party policies are the same as his. If you're trying to be a mainstream pundit, you can't call both parties fascists with little to no sunlight between them, even if it's demonstrably and obviously true.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago

Ana is a fascist

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Like I kinda agree with the premise, but her reasoning is so fucking stupid