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Hey, everyone. Hope this post finds you all well! A few days ago, PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS opened a comm request thread to name the community formerly known as The Dredge Tank. Now that it's been about 4 days and the votes seem pretty steady, we're rea-

angry-place "STOP THE COUNT!!!"

top-cop "Mr. President, she's talking."

As I was saying, we're ready to call the vote. Nobody's been happy with counterpropaganda, and we've heard you loud and clear. I'm excited to announce that Slop. is now open for all the posts you'd have previously posted to The Dredge Tank.

El Chisme continues to remain the new space for posts that would have been at home in The Dunk Tank.

In case anyone's confused about this, I'm gonna give a really quick explanation so everyone's on the same page with what's going on with the Tanks. The names of The Dunk Tank and The Dredge Tank have racist origins. The moderators of those communities agreed that the names of these communities should be changed. Unfortunately, while Lemmy allows the display names of communities to be changed, it does not currently allow the actual comm names to be changed. In order to change the names of these communities, we would have to shut them down and re-open new comms under new names. The mods of the dunk tank and dredge tank requested the name c/gossip. While there are some legitimate arguments being made relating to misogynistic societal perceptions of that word, the mods include women and enbies who disagree and specifically requested this name. I feel that this situation parallels the initial pushback that was experienced with disabled in which users voiced concerns that this name could be ableist, but the moderators of that community are themselves disabled and specifically requested that comm name, verbatim. Along with this name change, the mods felt that slightly expanding the scope of the community and simultaneously lowering the bar for the previous Rule 8 would allow users to post about more minor public figures as well as more major ones. This was seen as an expansion of the community's role, allowing posts to the new Dredge Tank replacement (counterpropaganda) to become a little more focused. We communicated this poorly, but the intention was to have users offer a sentence or two countering the reactionary take shown in the screenshot. Given how things spiraled from there, we've taken a step back from changing any of the rules during the switchover from The Dredge tank to Slop. We're trying to take time to let everyone breathe without changing too many things too quickly, but we also want to actually make sure people can get back to posting. Hopefully you're all okay with this pacing, lemme know below.


EDIT: thanks to @[email protected] for pointing out that this post didn't include the descriptions of the comms.

Where am I supposed to post...?

Slop is for what the old dredge_tank was like. Roast anonymous reactionaries to your heart's content!

Gossip for an informal discussion regarding people with power / notable / tools of power

Counterprop for a formalized discussion regarding reactionary people no matter how powerful/notable.


In upcoming admin updates:

  • I'll post some analysis of mistakes and missteps that were made in recent days, including some of the context that led up to those errors.

  • I'll offer a clearer and more complete explanation and description of the ongoing site culture issues that have been previously mentioned. These were poorly communicated before, but I'll do my best to explain both the issues at hand as well as the importance of dealing with them.

The last few days have been really confusing and frustrating for a lot of people and a lot has happened. This is not an appropriate place to reopen, re-litigate, or rehash the struggle session. I will not be debating either the struggle session or the subjects of the upcoming admin update posts here. Please refrain from doing so as well.


trump-feed "Folks, we're feeding the fish their slop, they're tremendously hungry, incredibly famished. And look: I get to feed them. They say: Mr President, please feed the koi fish, its din din time, and it is! I get to do the little shaka-shaka with the can, and they're happy, they're eating -they're eating- out of the palm of my hand, and they're getting so big and so strong. Look at all these koi fish! I bet they won't have any issues finding -finding- a special someone. And it's wonderful, it's great. Greydon Carter could never be a tremendously effective keeper of fish. His party is not so hot, and all of his betta fishes are dying! But Lyudmila's letting me feed them, and I'm doing a tremendously great job, and a looot better than what Sleepy Joe would do!"

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gossip just seems like a sucky name that isn't exactly what we do in the tanks, but whatever. I'm glad this is finally settled and the mods have followed through with the community feedback, it's finally time for our slop now

yummy

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

i really do think its literally commie gossip, which isn't a bad thing

[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I wasn't going to relitigate this, because I'm tired boss, but I still have to say, even translated to another language, I still don't agree with renaming it to gossip or any equivalent. In addition, this:

While there are some legitimate arguments being made relating to misogynistic societal perceptions of that word, the mods include women and enbies who disagree and specifically requested this name. I feel that this situation parallels the initial pushback that was experienced with disabled in which users voiced concerns that this name could be ableist, but the moderators of that community are themselves disabled and specifically requested that comm name, verbatim.

is exactly why this should have been put to a vote. Why do their voices and preferences matter more than mine? Especially considering at least one of the mods has already admitted they don't even like the thing they're in charge of? Not to mention that, whether intentionally or not, all users are relegated again to some mass of people, while the mods get the nuance of being part of these minority groups - why isn't it noted that the 'legitimate arguments' were also coming from women and enby users? And this parallel you're trying to draw comes off as essentially 'anybody arguing against this is clearly not informed or from the minority group affected', again whether you intend it to or not. Not to mention, if you accept them as legitimate arguments, why are they being cast aside for the personal preference of a handful of mods?

I really think yall have a lot of learning to do.

Editting to add: the more I think on this, the more this whole thing is baffling. We're seriously going to replace 'dunk tank' because of it's racial connotations, and we're going to rename it some variation of 'gossip' in spite of it's sexist connotations. What are we doing here?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Especially considering at least one of the mods has already admitted they don't even like the thing they're in charge of?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Si van a llamar la nueva comunidad "El Chisme" entonces yo creo que debe ser regla que solo podemos hablar español ahí. Hay mucha gente diciendo que la palabra traducido en inglés tiene un significado misógino pero eso no será problema si nadie habla inglés. Además, ¿no creen que es una injusticia que todo el mundo tiene que aprender tu idioma para participar en la cultura popular? De esta manera, hasta solucionarán el mitote de tener tantos güeros jaja

[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 days ago (9 children)

"gossip" is a bad name. misogynistic overtones aside, it's just a terrible name. surely, we can think of something better.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 days ago

Honestly, the main reason why I don't like /c/gossip is because the gossipers and the gossipee have to be socially connected. The information passed on between the two gossipers is also supposed to be relatively unknown.

If I'm talking shit about our shitty boss with a fellow coworker, that's gossip.

If I'm talking shit about a professor with a fellow classmate who has never met the professor before, that counts as gossip if the classmate has a good chance of taking a course taught by the professor.

If I'm talking shit about Elon Musk with a fellow shitposter, that's just talking shit about a random (famous) person. That isn't gossip.

To me, /c/gossip sounds more like a drama comm for current struggle sessions or infighting between lemmy instances. So, the entire 4(?) day struggle session or the 1000+ brigade^TM^ of some random lemm.ee post would fit right in. "Spill the tea, sis" doesn't apply to famous people because they're, well, famous.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (12 children)

It just doesn’t do a good job of describing the intended content of the comm. “Gossip” generally means interesting stories about celebrities’ lives, and isn’t really precise enough imo. Having a comm called “gossip” that is entirely full of dunks would probably contribute to the perception of a toxic site culture rather than detract.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The mods of the dunk tank and dredge tank requested the name c/gossip. While there are some legitimate arguments being made relating to misogynistic societal perceptions of that word, the mods include women and enbies who disagree and specifically requested this name.

A few thoughts on this.

First of all, I don’t think this was intentional but using the phrase “women and enbies” in this context can come across as erasure of non-binary identity by implying that it’s akin to “woman lite” - I run a space for people of marginalised genders and this was one of the early lessons we learned, so just passing it on.

Secondly, that female and NB mods suggested a name does not absolve it of flaws or reduce the perception/propagation of misogynistic implications. The majority of people using or seeing the comm won’t know the backstory behind it, and valid concerns about how off-putting the name is shouldn’t be swept aside for these reasons.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Had about an hour before I pack up all my things, and wanted to check in to see what's going on.

Honestly I just gotta say
<3

edit: and please read some

community theory
"The ladder of citizien participation"

I'm not gonna write a lot about it, the text is short and written for the layperson. It's a neat tool for valuating how well your community planning actually integrates the community. It's pretty sad a group of alleged leftists screech at the suggestion we should do better than step: 1 "Manipulation". Most public projects in the US does better than that. Are you telling me you think the US state is better at working with communities than you are? SAD.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why are people so against gossip? That's exactly what we do here.

For what it's worth, maybe just because I don't think about gender ever, I have never considered gossip either shameful or feminine. But I see now that there is a patriarchal dislike of the term gossip, which is just bizarre to me

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What if mods simply remove the constant posting about the depiction of women's bodies in video games? Bad content is the problem, not the name of the comm it's posted in.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Please feel free to message the mods of these communities to give your suggestion!

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I support the name changes, however I think gossip should be a separate and new comm.

The replacements in my opinion should be called slop for random nobodies saying stupid shit, and the Barbara Pit for people who are well known and have some semblance of power.

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