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[–] [email protected] 161 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Not really.. This time America voted for the felon to become a dictator

And the felon will do whatever he can to make it happen.

Last time it was still a misguided presidency.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hear ya, but I mean he 'joked' about it before this election too.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don't forget when he praised Xi Jinping for removing term limits and suggested he might do the same https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-praises-chinese-president-extending-tenure-for-life-idUSKCN1GG03P/

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He's also just explicitly said that he wants to be a dictator, but that apparently isn't a turn-off for much of his base, and in fact many of them see it as a positive: https://apnews.com/article/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian-presidential-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I saw a comment from a conservative recently who was hoping that Trump would create term limits for congress. Like, how delusional can you be?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

If only there were just one example instead likely over 10

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (4 children)

in the 10 minutes of the Rogan interview I could stomach he talked about how surreal it all was, how it was a joke, he didn't want to be a politician, and he didn't expect to win.

He was expecting it this time and he knows what he can get away with.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Luckily, the process of repealing or changing an amendment likely won’t change anytime soon, even with a Republican trifecta at the federal level, as it requires overwhelming public support. As outlined in Article 5 of the Constitution, any such change requires at least two-thirds of the Senate and the House to agree on the modification, with that change then requiring ratification by a minimum of three-quarters of states in the nation.

I wouldn't be so confident. If the majority decides to ignore it, then a constitution suddenly holds very little weight. Remember how the Roman Empire was once a Republic, until someone decided it wasn't anymore? Remember how 1930s Germany was a democracy, until someone decided that had to end?

Trump might argue some weird logic regarding the 22nd and 12th amendment. Or he might just declare a state of national emergency because of a new migrant caravan or some such shit, and postpone elections indefinitely. If he tries anything of the sort, it will all come down to whose side the military is on.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (4 children)

What happens if they declare all democrats are enemies of the state and remove them from office and put their people in?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Project Gilead.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You’ll probably get to find out in January 😊 that’s kind of the whole plan

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You would think they would figure it out right? It's not a joke.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

You'd think, but then 75 or so million people either didn't, or wanted this.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (5 children)

He is 78, in awful health, and has no interest in a legacy or supporting a successor. He keeps everyone around him at odds and maintains enough infighting that no clear heir apparent could really show up.

So like, he really only will hold power long enough to make everything terrible. So we got that goin for us.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You know how long Caesar was dictator for life before he was assassinated? Less than a year.

But the damage was done, and Rome had a civil war over whether it would go back to being a Republic like it had been or if it would have an autocratic ruler. Obviously, the latter won out.

A lesson from history.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Let's not lump Trump in with Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar was a war hero and a capable leader who's final crimes were giving out citizenship and housing.

Trump's final crimes will be giving all our state secrets to every other government in the world and obliterating our infrastructure.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We have so many lessons from history to pull from right now that you would need multiple professors to explain them all and yet they were all ignored.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, when trump dies his "movement" explodes. They won't consolidate around one, and trump would never have a clear successor because then he risks everyone siding with them.

MAGA ain't a movement it's a person.

When he's gone the knives come out and the party will balkanize itself

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I wish I had your optimism

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

The only right way to be an optimist about the big picture is to make sure you're ready for when shit goes sideways on the day to day stuff.

For instance a big silver lining about four years of trump, this is one of the few scenarios people stay politically engaged after the election, thru the midterms, and onto 2028.

Republicans have the Oval, the House, and the Senate. There is not much they can do that people will blame on Dems.

Historically he'll lose House or Senate in two years. Hopefully both, but ideally the Senate. There's benefits to the other way around too tho.

Adjust your timescale you're looking at this with. 4 years ain't long, two years ain't shit. Think of all the fucked up horrible shit we've done as a country. Realize that even if things get worse then they ever been in America (incredibly unlikely) we've bounced back before and we'll bounce back eventually again.

This is going to suck.

But 20 years from now we might look back on this as the last speed bump before we finally fixed our political system. Empires burn down all the time, but ash makes fertile soil.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Remember, the Constitution is just a really old piece of paper if the people entrusted to enforce it choose to ignore it.

There is a non-zero chance that Trump could move to suspend the Constitution entirely, backed by a complicit Cabinet, Congress, Supreme Court and several state governments. And at that point, we would literally have to hope and pray that the rank-and-file military is on the side of the people, which is far, far from guaranteed. Because if they're not, you can claim your Constitutional rights all you want, but you'll be doing it with the other prisoners inside of whatever re-education camp you're assigned to.

Heck, there's a non-zero chance that the American voter just gives off a collective "meh" and just apathetically lets Trump seize total power. We just saw a few million people do just that.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wow, already in the first week. Expect to hear this joke periodically over the course of his term, each time getting slightly more seriously stated. By the third year, everyone will have heard it so much it'll be accepted as a perfectly reasonable idea. And the media will help that along in how they report on it. This is the tried and true playbook and it will work, not only for this plan but for their other plans.

Take for example the planned mass deportations. They'll start out with finding some people who have committed crimes (or they claim have), deport them and no one will object to that, it's already how it's done. As they move on to those whose crimes are not very consequential, like traffic tickets or whatever, if libs say anything against it, they'll pounce on it and amplify stories how the libs are overreacting and want criminals to be left free and have open borders. Harping on any criticism in cases that are technically justified is key to getting the public used to pooh-poohing any dissent as they start escalating and going after the law-abiding (other than being here illegally ofc) immigrants, families with mixed status members, DACA/Dreamers, parents of children born here and thus citizens and deporting the children with them, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Let me get this right. So, you know exactly who this man is and what he stands for. Yet, you elect him anyway. You know he's been "joking" about this before. Yet, you elect him anyway. He's a convicted felon. Yet, you elect him anyway.

I've lost every smidgen of respect I had for Americans. You went into this with eyes wide open. You deserve what's coming.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (13 children)

I voted for Kamala, and got a handful of others to as well, don't include me with the rest of them. I don't deserve this.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Same. I voted on the first day of early voting, and convinced my nephew and his two best friends to cast their first (and likely last) votes. My niece is 15; I'm sure she'll be glad to hear she "deserves" what's coming.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Yeah, not only did I vote against this, my demographic hit 94% for Harris.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (5 children)

You deserve what’s coming.

You're talking to the people who tried to stop him, so fuck off.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s not a joke! For heaven’s sake, media, it’s not a joke!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

Exactly. And this isn't even the first time he's said it!

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago

George W. Bush made a joke about being a dictator, but never tried to actually be one. Trump has been trying to be a dictator from the moment he was born...

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Cheeto ain't joking about power.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ben Shapiro is a hypocritical piece of shit. Sorry that might not be relevant.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Nah, that's always relevant

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good thing he's old AF and overweight. Maybe that will impact him even before this term is done...

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah, President Vance? Every option has us screwed no matter how long Trump lasts

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The one benefit of Vance replacing Trump is that he doesn't have a cult like Trump does.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I don't see him lasting his full term. Dude's old, is incredibly unhealthy, and has enough power-mad people around him that the first sign of weakness will probably be enough for medical intervention and Vance becoming president. Becoming president AGAIN at his age is possibly the dumbest thing he can do for his health.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sadly his Klan loving father lived to 93, and being POTUS is like having a dedicated one person ER following you around.

Also, the office only ages you if you're committed to performing the job, Trump uses the office to troll the people he can troll and, more urgently, personally profit for anyone that offers him or his businesses a bribe in exchange for a Presidential act. He doesn't work even in business, he issues broad, pie in the sky dictates and encourages his own employees infighting about the details. He's bragged about this.

Trump was the first President in my lifetime to accelerate the aging of those he governed rather than himself. Like so many other things people seem to forget, he spent a lot of his first term golfing.

Not that I'm complaining on that point, golf motherfucker! Do less!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

This is something I don't think they even acknowledge or think about. Some of their shit in comparing him to Hitler (and they do that in a positive manner) is when they claim that some of the shit that is happening to him is like him being imprisoned after the Beer Hall Putsch (referring to Jan 6th). This is stupid. Hitler was barely in his early 30s at the time and he was actually at the START of his political career. Trump was never imprisoned and when he did his shit he already had very real political power that Hitler never had in 1923.

Trump the oldest presidential nominee ever and I hope that he will stay the oldest. We don't need that kind of geriatic shit in any political office anywhere.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

He won't stay in power. His appointment of incompetent sycophants will dismantle 250 years of American prosperity (maliciously or negligently, it doesn't matter) and it will be sold for parts to billionaires and foreign states.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

It wasn't a joke.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

It's not a joke, you fucking idiot.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Brave of him to assume he'll still be alive by year four

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