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The static on old CRT TVs with rabbit ears was the cosmic microwave background. No one in the last 25 years has ever seen it.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 hours ago

I bought a plasma in 2009 that would show static if I turned it to cable channels without cable plugged in. Plasmas were susceptible to burn in and since I would game a lot I could see health bars etc start to burn in after a while. Whenever that would happen I would turn it to the static screen - making each pixel flip from one end of the spectrum to the other rapidly like that would actually help remove the burn in.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That's not background, that's a free channel that showcases a polar bear in a snowstorm.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

The ant races

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I was born after 2000 (though not too long after) and this is actually one of my core memories. I think about the sounds of the static and the sound of the CRT turning off all the time.

Also, we had a really old tv in our basement till at least 2008 that had no remote, just knobs and I remember messsing with the “hue” dial all the time trying to figure out how it worked.

The only reason that tv worked so late is that we had a black box connected to the antenna which I later learned was converting the digital signal to analog for the TV.

Also, you’ve just reminded me that I remember the switch from analog to digital. Specifically, I remember watching Elmo talking with some adult on TV about the change. Now I really want to find that video. I think the guy was wearing a suit had short dark hair and glasses. I also think the background was pinkish purple. I want to know how accurate my memories from so long ago are. (I’ll add the link to the video in an edit if I can find it)

Edit: I cannot find the video :(

[–] [email protected] 116 points 15 hours ago

Well, not really. The cosmic microwave background radiation was a tiny fraction of that noise. What everyone saw was mostly thermal noise generated by the amplifier circuit inside the TV.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Opening line of Neuromancer doesn't make much sense any more "The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel.”

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] possiblylinux127 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Hair stands up

[–] [email protected] 104 points 16 hours ago (6 children)

CRTs was in use well into the 2000s

[–] [email protected] 43 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Even before the 2000s they started showing a blue screen instead of static.

That wasn't just a digital or flat panel thing.

But of course old sets were around for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

My memory of the exacts here are fuzzy, but I think this depended on whether or not your TV picked up digital signal, analog, or both. I remember around that time we had a TV that would pick up static on some channels and have a blue input screen on others.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 15 hours ago

It's definitelly an analog over the air TV thing.

The way digital works you would either get a "No signal" indicator (because the circuitry detects the signal to noise ratio is too low) or squarish artifacts (because of the way the compression algorithms for digital video are designed).

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 13 hours ago

Technically, it's not about the display technology, but instead about the signal/tuner. More specifically if it's analog or digital. Some modern TVs still have analog or hybrid tuners for backwards compatibility and regions that still use analog, so they can display static. For instance, in Ukraine we finished the switch to digital TV only a couple of years ago. If your TV had no digital tuner (as was the case for many) you had to buy a DAC box. Retirees/pensioners got them for free, sponsored by the government.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago

CRTs were fairly common until the early-mid 10s

I'd say born after 2008ish aren't likely to be familiar with them, except seeing the odd one in their grandparents bedroom

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I was born in the 90s, my brothers were born in the early 2000s. We had a CRT into the early 2010s . Maybe people who weren't poor haven't seen real TV static but even then I doubt it. Hell, remember those god awful "flat screen" CRTs? My old station still had one of those that we used to watch TV on in 2018-19. It's probably still there lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I actually liked the flat screen crts. I have a 1080p flatscreen crt and I love it. Can’t use it though because I’m scared my kids will get crushed by it.

[–] possiblylinux127 3 points 9 hours ago

When I was growing up the cat used to interact with the TV. It was on the floor for a while so it was fun.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

Yep, my family had a CRT that we used until sometime around 2015.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

By the way, the picture illustrating the post isn't actually displaying the real thing - the noise in it is too squarish and has no grey tones.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

TV static in recent movies and shows that are set in the past almost always instantly pull me out of the narrative because no one seems to be able to get it right and some are just stunningly bad. It's usually very subtle, so much so that I'm not sure I could even describe what's wrong. Makes me feel old to notice it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I think the problem is because CRT displays didn't have pixels so the uniform noise which is static was not only uniformely spread in distribution and intensity (i.e. greyscale level) but also had "dots" of all sizes.

Also another possible thing that's off is the speed at which the noise changes: was it the 25fps refresh rate of a CRT monitor, related to that rate but not necessarily at that rate or did the noise itself had more persistent and less persistent parts?

The noise is basically the product of radio waves at all frequencies with various intensities (though all low) with only the ones that could pass the bandpass filter of the TV tuner coming through (and being boosted up in intensitity by automatic gain control) and being painted along a phosphorous screen (hence no pixels) as the beam draw line by line the screen 25 times per second so to get that effect right you probably have to simulate it mathematically from a starting point of random radio noise and it can't be going through things with pixels (such as 3D textures) to be shown and probably requires some kind of procedural shader.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago

My family had several tvs that did this until around 2013

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

On a CRT? Sure, probably a lot haven't seen it. On a modern TV? Still possible for some - mine does this if I hit the channel button rather than volume accidentally.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Depending on the TV it's likely simulated noise at this point

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 16 hours ago (8 children)

No one in the last 25 years has ever seen it.

I mean you can still find a CRT today and turn it on if you like, they're less common for sure, but they're still around if you're looking for one

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Movies depicting this haven't vanished from existence though

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The trope of video/audio breaking down into static is an easy shorthand that is unlikely to be forgotten, probably even well after all the devices capable of doing so have long since been buried in the landfill.

It's especially hilarious in media depicting the far-flung future, where apparently all technologically advanced space men and their communications devices -- not to mention high powered central supercomputers and so on and so forth -- somehow still work over NTSC television signals. Even by the early 1980's it should have been entirely predictable that in "the future" anything like that would be digital, considering we already had widespread digital audio media (CD's), and digital video was already making inroads into the computing industry.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 14 hours ago

yeah i have

[–] [email protected] 22 points 16 hours ago (8 children)

The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel. - William Gibson, Neuromancer

One of the most beautiful opening lines to a novel.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

I have seen this on a much newer TV last year. It didnt just disappear

[–] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago

I think they call it "analog horror noise" now, along with vhs cassettes.

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Feel the passage of time XD

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

or a new smaller tv sitting on top of the old, wood frame tv as a stand now

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