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Twitch declares that “Zionist” is a slur, will issue bans for criticizing “individuals” based on their “religious beliefs or background” (genocide, settler colonialism)

https://archive.ph/qwX4r

Implications for leftist streamers like HasanAbi

azan

potentially establishing precedents for mass removal and censorship of anti-genocide organizing and education on other major social media platforms

[News mega comment thread: https://hexbear.net/comment/5640369]

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

Fine, just replace "Zionist" with "The murderous cu*ts occupying Palestine". It's much more descriptive.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

This is particularly absurd when Zionists themselves proudly call themselves that and have written almost a century of political and cultural theory on the subject.

It would be like banning the term neoliberal as a slur.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Finally, I can stream for the glory of Slaanesh without fear of persecution for my gratuitously sensual religious practices.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Slurs are when you correctly identify someone by the name of the political ideology they adhere too.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Which they also label themselves as.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Well yes but only they can say it. You just dont understand the history of the word, and they don't need you goysplaining their genocidal ambitions to them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Leave it to the freeze-gamer to invent new slurs.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So fuck twitch (and streaming in general tbh) but it seems like an easy workaround is just to call them genocide supporters or settler-colonizers.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 days ago

though that is a bummer explicitly is that these folks would proudly call themselves zionists, i would gamble that settler colonizer is too technical in a sense

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago

Fascist hitlerites

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

'Protocols of the elders of Zion larper'

[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I've seen so many people who self-identify as a Zionist (by just openly saying "I'm a Zionist") insist that Zionist is a slur. But then why are you proudly using it to describe yourself!?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Only they can call each other a Zionist.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

It's THEIR word!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago

Reclamation! doggirl-thumbsup

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 days ago (1 children)

in amerikkka settler colonists are a protected class

people will just start calling them genocidal apartheid-supporters instead

or maybe fascist isn't a slur yet

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago

I sent support a demand to delete my account and any historic personal data made it very clear why I want it gone

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago

Fucking freaks dude, this kind of shit has me feeling like something big is going to give sooner rather than later.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago (6 children)

A lot of Americans believe that Israel controls the US. Stuff like this feeds into that for the uninformed.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Which drives up (actual) antisemitism. Which leads to (actual) pogroms. Which leads to American Jews (and others around the world) moving to Israel.

Aka: all part of the Zionist plan.

And for any liberal dinguses reading this going "heuh heuh wow look how racist the left is! Heuh heuh!" I'm speaking not about the Jewish Zionists concentrated in Israel, the US and EU. I'm talking about the majority of Zionists... evangelical Christians. Rabid racists who support actions like this from the US state and other Western governments in hopes that it does exactly what I wrote above. They want all the Jews in America to go live in Israel until the rapture happens and they're all sent to Hell or whatever specific fanfic they choose to believe. It serves their goal of making America more of a WASP ethnostate, emptying it of non-Christians that they hate, and feeds their psychotic religious fervor.

It's actually incredible how many specific things that you can point at that make America suck have been upheld by or caused by evangelicals

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

There's a reason England sent them all here

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Its literally just a 'protocols of the elders of Zion' larp group.

Proposed new identifier: protocols larper

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/An-Update-to-How-We-Enforce-Our-Hateful-Conduct-Policy?language=en_US

using the term “Zionist” to attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief is against our rules. We recognize that “Zionist” and “Zionism” also refer to a political movement. Using the term to refer to the political movement, whether in a supportive or critical way, does not violate our Hateful Conduct policy.

The way it's written suggests they intend to use it to go after antisemites who use zionist to mean jew, but the total opaqueness of twitch moderation and the context of the ADL trying to silence antizionists on twitch makes me think they're going to go after anyone who doesn't support the genocide in gaza, namely Hasan instead.

Actually they're certainly going to do both, but mostly the latter, given how integral the settler colonial project is to Israeli identity.

We prohibit the use of terms that may not be harmful or abusive in isolation, but can be used as a slur or to denigrate others in certain contexts. Similar to other terms that may be used as a proxy for a protected group, we treat “Zionists” as a proxy for Jews or Israelis if the word is used in a context to promote harm or violence, or when used to make dehumanizing comparisons or perpetuate antisemitic stereotypes. Comments regarding Zionism that are about the political movement, including criticisms, do not violate our Hateful Conduct Policy. Comments that call for violence against Zionism as a political movement, or comments that would otherwise violate our policies, are not allowed.

Prohibited example: Zionist [name of animal].

Allowed example: Zionist settlers keep encroaching Palestinian borders.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I agree, it’s a recuperation of liberal anti hate-speech rhetoric to buttress collapsing public support for imperialism and genocide. Maddening open hypocrisy that they’re citing anti-semitism while platforming and algorithmically promoting Nazis and other fascists as the top twitch streamers (with the exception of Hassan).

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago

we treat “Zionists” as a proxy for Jews or Israelis 

he-admit-it They're using Judaism as a cover.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So does this mean if I have a Pro-Israel account and I say "Zionist Dove" or some shit I can be banned as well?

Is it allowed to say "Zionism, the ideology, should be punishable by death"

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago

So does this mean if I have a Pro-Israel account and I say “Zionist Dove” or some shit I can be banned as well?

Probably not.

Is it allowed to say “Zionism, the ideology, should be punishable by death”

When twitch bans you, they tell you what rule you broke, but they don't tell you how it was broken or when. So in practice, you would never be able to say "I was banned for saying X which isn't against the rules".

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

Anyway, let's talk about how TOTALITARIAN it is that in China you can't just say the most fucked up shit imaginable on the internet free of consequence.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wonder if Twitch admin are a bunch of zionists.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No! A vc funded tech company owned by one of the mega corporations that uses its recommendation algorithm to turn children into Nazis might have genocidal Nazis in leadership?

I call bullshit; couldn't be true.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Better to call them what they are Zionazis. Zionsim is not a religion. It is a racist ethno-supremacy fascistic ideology. It uses the mask of a religion as Hitler did with the Swastika to shield it. People should rebel. The entity is lashing out in desperation.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago

Can't even stream reggae music anymore. Twitch is babylon.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago

I gotta say this latest batch of weird internet gamer gate hitlerites that are targeting Hasan are particularly disconcerting to me

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

Genocidair?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

it all depends on the implementation tbh. At best this'll be tone policing of antizionists that would never be applied to islamophobes, but at worst it could be as you say, justification for mass censorship of anti-zionist content

I don't think it'll just stop at censoring people using "zionist pigs" as an insult (which isn't antisemitic to begin with ofc), it'll probably go further because the people that cajoled twitch into making this change in the first place will keep pushing those same buttons (threatening advertisers with smear campaigns) again and again, but there must be limits to how far they can be pushed

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Has the ban hammer already hit Hasan? He's normally live by now.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

he streamed today just a short one since he's streaming basketball on someone elses account tn, I thought the same thing lol

he talked about it and basically said it sucks and shat on the bad faith of the people and orgs pushing it, but said he'd abide by it and people in his chat using zionist as an insult were probably going to be logged and banned later by twitch

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

(Joke) Another day, another banger for twitch. They got rid of the wretched slur, Crcker, and now. the got rid of Zinist Thank you (twitch CEO), you make us all greatful.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago

death to america, death to the zionist entity, death to kkkrackadom

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