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This sounds like the exact place drug addicts will go to find drugs. Someone who doesn't respect the Healthcare industry won't know how to run an organization like this. It will grow too fast and will use questionable methods so abhorrent it will be an obvious front for something sinister. I'm guessing it will get co-opted for the drug trade, either that or they will full on be replacements for all the immigrants being "exported."
I'd bet money on opium den before forced labor. Suburban whites are not a force they ought to trifle with.
He won’t have to look vet far. In the last Trump administration, Provigil was handed out like breath mints.
I fucking HATE these clickbait headlines. Read the dang article and look at the quotes:
"I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities," he said during the broadcast. (emphasis added)
RFK is a total whackjob, but it's pretty clear he's talking about some kind of voluntary "farm therapy" (which probably isn't demonstrably effective anyway) and not a concentration camp.
PLEASE we got enough bombastic language and clickbait over the Biden years. There are PLENTY of things wrong with the actual quote above without taking us into clickbait territory.
Let's criticize him on the grounds of being scientific but proposing very un-scientific actions. Let's criticize him for proposing ineffective solutions, but please, focus on his ACTUAL statement instead of trying to fluff it into some goddamn headline.
People want excitement more than they want truth.
This is why Trump was elected again.
MAGAs are not some strange species of subhuman. They're humans like us, genetically identical almost, same with nazis and Jim Jones cultists and everyone else who has ever done anything inexplicable. They have the same vulnerabilities and the same biases and the same reactions. If they're dumber, then the stories their brains will tell them to explain their feelings will also be dumber, but your brain does the same thing every time you feel a thing.
We're all going to have to confront this unpleasant fact about just how much free-will we actually have in the coming decade as more and more of reality becomes compromised in our daily scrolling rituals, as more bots and scammers and influencers become far more sophisticated and intelligent in their schemes.
I hope that after some period of hardship and confusion we all look at information in a different way, as the internet becomes consumed by the AI slop engine and nobody can prove what's real anymore and anyone can manipulate anyone else's image and voice perfectly and we all have to embrace new attitudes towards ourselves and our ego.
Although these wellness farms might seem like a worthwhile idea on paper, there are plenty of ways these kinds of systems could be rife with abuse. It's also unclear how different they would really be from the rehabilitation facilities that already exist across the country, and RFK's claims that most of the issues come down to not eating organic food also don't seem to be based on hard science.
https://www.distractify.com/p/rfk-wellness-farms
Means well but it sounds here like they'll be volunteering at a farm for 3-4 uears, wasting their time
Oh yeah... "volunteering."
And for "as much time as they need."
Doesn't seem ominous at all from a guy with a brainworm in a government that's being jizzed on by the whole for-profit-prison industry. I'm sure they'll have no interest in these "wellness farms".
Arbeit macht frei.
First thing that came to mind reading the headline
Voluntary, as in NYPD saying you’ll be arrested if you don’t voluntarily go into their overcrowded bedbug homeless shelter?
This is not as benign as you think. RFK already thinks vaccines annd prescribed meds are child abuse.
Time to add futurism.com to my block list. What a useless rag.
I've never seen a futurist community online that isn't just an attention-span-bankrupt group of headline-whores and hype-addicts, desperately trying to escape reality by embracing futurist ideas and sensational new stories without critical thought.
100% They are part of the death of journalism. Inaccurate, hyped headlines that disagree with the body of the article. Designed to get "engagement" and not to inform. Fuck them.
Assuming this is government funded, I'd be more than happy to spend a couple of years at such a place. I need to take a break from reality and not worry about bills for a bit.
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You clearly have not read the history of Nazi era labor camps. They had very nice sounding propaganda for Germans to believe too.
Don't kid yourself. They mean forced labor camps.
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Stop fucking sane washing him. "If they want to" is a dubious statement coming from anyone in this authoritarian administration.
The fact that he brings up "reparenting", it seems fairly obvious that this is going to be done by authority of the state. He's talking about taking people's kids away from them if they medicate their children as recommended by their doctors.
Stop fucking sane washing him
You'll notice I called him a "total whackjob". I do not say he is sane. However, I wish to criticize what he ACTUALLY said instead of some bombastic caricature of his plan. In no way do I support or endorse RFK, but let's be accurate with our criticism.
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Sure, totally voluntary. With barbed wire, guards, prison gangs, and court orders. Just like the reform schools for teenagers.
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So they're just already saying the "camps" part out loud, eh? I guess when you have Hitler's playbook, you can move faster than Hitler did.
This is part of some rural grift facilities which probably started with "trouble teens". In recent years I've seen reports of these "farms" for "distressed" women. It's usually a place with Ranch in the name. Example: https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2021/11/18/the-christian-maternity-ranch-in-texas-is-a-disaster-in-the-making/
Permaculture farms, for example, are already well known for relying on abusive work conditions. See Joel Salatin:
https://medium.com/permaculture-3-0/fall-of-a-hero-f9ac80a08c0c
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Just sounds like torture camps people voluntarily go to. Why would they remain voluntary? These people think public facilities that give out small doses to prevent people from dying from withdrawal and needle dispenseries to prevent STIs are immoral, so we all know it's torture. This is obvious whether you read the article or not for all of the nuance trolls.
BY THEIR OWN CHOICE
"if they want to"
Is he not aware that the fascist pumpkin he will be working for pops those like breath mints?? Please do send that rapist con man to a labor camp.
Yes I am sure not being hypocrites is high on their list of concerns
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what the hell. staying in Canada.
Fuck that.
I strongly dislike how the argument hinges on the very movable goalpost of "illegal" drugs. It has this awful moralizing "protect the kids while we destroy privacy", vibe to it.
At first I though this would require an end-run on HIPAA, but all they really need to do is re-schedule a bunch of therapeutic drugs. Or ignore the FDA entirely and just enforce a ban by edict (somehow) through a different agency. I don't think we've ever seen federal agencies openly disagree like that before, but I think it's possible. Also: big pharma may have something to say about all this.
Like a lot of the nonsense coming from this cabinet, it'll test the crap out of state's rights.
Big pharma will love it. All the drugs they made with expired patents are now illegal. Good thing they've got a very, very, very similar drug that meets all the necessary criteria, all lined up and ready to replace it (with a brand new patent, of course).
There has been some controversy about AstraZeneca's behaviour in creating, patenting, and marketing the drug. Esomeprazole's successful predecessor, omeprazole, is a mixture of two mirror-imaged molecules (esomeprazole which is the S-enantiomer, and R-omeprazole); critics said the company was trying to "evergreen" its omeprazole patent by patenting the pure esomeprazole and aggressively marketing to doctors that it is more effective than the mixture.[50]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esomeprazole
While the impact of CFCs from inhalers on the ozone layer had been minuscule (dwarfed by industrial processes using CFCs), the FDA in its interpretation of the Montreal Protocol mandated the switch in propellants.[17] Patients expressed concern about the high price of the HFA inhalers as there were initially no generic versions, whereas generic CFC inhalers had been available.[18]
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And a tax on cannabis sales would fund these farms, he proposed.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but... is he really suggesting a federal tax on a federally illegal substance?
You hope he is just being clever and indirectly talking about legalizing cannabis, but you know that in reality he is just so incompetent that he has no idea what he is talking about.
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you have to ask yourself what is the actual goal of the incoming administration.
once you understand that, everything else will make sense.
"I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it — to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities," he said during the broadcast.
Isn’t it neat how he mixes in prescribed medical treatments? Neato.
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I think this is how they plan on making up for immigrant labor.
But lol if you want systemic food shortages this is a great way to go. Farm labor isn’t easy, it can’t be carried out by someone who is addicted enough to the point that they need this farm to get better. Farm labor needs to be reliant and self-directed, and drug addicts are not reliable and can barely direct their lives.
People on depression or adhd meds are not necessarily drug addicts. I can’t believe we have such incompetent people in charge now.
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If he comes for my antidepressants he can haul me off but he can't make me cooperate.
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