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[–] [email protected] 77 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Bruh. I'm so tired of these headlines.

No it does fucking not. Where have you been the last four years? This might be new for a Speaker, but the GOP have been tacitly and overtly supportive of conspiracy theories this whole time, especially the antisemitic and white supremacist ones.

MAGA Mike believing in "The Great Replacement" is par for the course for the GOP.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

You're absolutely corecct. But this is just a way for people to talk, notice and hopefully rethink. I know it's a slim hope that these people can still be reached, but I'm happy enough to see headlines pointing out the endorseded racism of republicans, even if it is VERY old news.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Its past time to give up on them. Put it down to propaganda, lead poisoning, inertia, whatever - there is nothing that will bring them back into reality where science and facts matter. Nothing.

We could have fended this off if middle-of-the-road Democrats hadn’t spent the 80’s 90’s and 00’s trying to be republican-lite instead of actual progressives.

And I say that as a relative moderate. It’s just been that bad for that long.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The only ways to force someone out of a cult is through forced deprogramming and by attrition, as you break the cult apart, or it naturally breaks down. So what do we do when the cult members you want to do this number in the millions, many of which are willing to resist violently?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The point I want to make is that a defeatist attitude isn't providing any solutions. It's useless to say something is hopeless. You might as well give up and validate them being hopeless.

So what do you do? Try anyways, because nothing is actually hopeless. Progress is not only possible, but others who lack this silly defeatist attitude are actually making progress and fighting this fight.

So, you both should quit your bitching and actually try.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I don't feel the need to convert them, to get them to back off their bullshit. There are ways to move forward without them, we need to focus on working on that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I don't know about that. The ones that got deathly ill from Covid suddenly believed in Medicine again. Well, the ones not suing for parasite paste anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I’ve been through this myself. I could bring a friend back to reality, only to lose them once they went back to their social circles and propaganda. Culture has to be changed for any lasting effect.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They can be reached. Just not with facts and reality. If anyone is serious about reaching them, look up "Deep Canvasing." It's a rhetorical technique you can use to connect someone's past experiences to their present worldview and sometimes cause them to rethink their beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I feel like street epistemology may have a place as well.

I think also when people talk face to face it is very different from online b.s.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

They're all like this. Just give them Utah and Texas as their own country and call it good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

America has located a new country in need of democracy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Texas would be sufficient, TBH. It's enormous.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not Texas there's a restaurant I like there. How about Alabama instead

[–] Reptorian 2 points 10 months ago

Tennessee would be best fit for them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I mean...I get it. But can we evacuate Utah first? I'm currently stuck here and it's bad enough as-is.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

This isn't new for Republicans and they've sunk lower.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Rep. Mike Johnson, the newly elected House speaker, has repeatedly flirted with what’s known as the “great replacement theory,” the idea that Democrats are scheming to supplant American voters with immigrants.

The “open borders” trope is a lie, and while a few municipalities allow voting for noncitizens in local elections, in no sense do national Democrats have any such “plan” for “all the illegals.” As far as I can determine, no House speaker in recent memory has been quite as reckless and incendiary with this kind of language.

He reiterated the claim in an interview this year with the right-wing outlet Newsmax, accusing President Biden of “intentionally” encouraging undocumented migration to “turn all these illegals into voters for their side.” On numerous other occasions, he has made similar charges, even declaring that Democrats’ express goal is the “destruction of our country at the expense of our own people.”

Other predecessors, such as John A. Boehner and Paul D. Ryan, were supporters — nominally, at least — of reforms that would legalize large numbers of undocumented immigrants, though they ultimately failed to deliver.

Indeed, former president Donald Trump recently made the racist implications behind the great replacement theory explicit by claiming that migrants are “poisoning the blood of our country.”

Julián Castro, a former member of President Barack Obama’s Cabinet, anticipates Republican efforts to shut down the government to force Democrats to “remake the asylum system in the MAGA cult’s image.”


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