chapotraphouse

You are going to quickly arguing yourself into hopeless contradiction if you think this framing of intrinsic deserving as a variable feature and moralistic bullshit like that. Killing something yourself doesn't make it better or worse, this argument just appeals to you because you know many people wouldn't be able to. Wanting to make fewer people eat meat is cool and good, but vapid sophistry is not how you get there.

Here's a post that definitely won't end up locked after at least one Hexbear gets banned

I've done some hunting and skinned a deer in my time. It's not as stomach churning as you may think.

However what is stomach churning is what happens in factory farms. I'm not nearly as concerned with the slaughter as I am with the conditions the animals are kept in up until the slaughter

The real problem with people who eat meat is that they haven't completely inured themselves to the screams of the dying.

More Americans should do the FFA thing, where you raise a baby piglet to slaughter weight and then personally tear the adorable creature's heart out with a knife. That's definitely going to produce a bunch of vegetarians and not a generation of hollow-eyed psychopaths. Can't wait till we have more guys like Ron DeSantis, staring blankly into empty space for hours on end, then giggling softly any time they hear the sounds of pain.

If you can't stomach soldering fumes you shouldn't get to use electronics. If you don't acid etch your own circuit boards you disgust me.

I went to school to be a butcher, originally. I actually know how to break down a whole beef into primals, then, i can passingly get primals broken down into finish cuts. Ive done that in the past several times. Chickens too, from live to its final nugget form.

I agree fully, if youre going to eat it, you should be able to stomach the task.

Im also a vegetarian, so make of that what you will.

Look, I don't think stomaching slaughtering animals should allow you to eat meat.

I used to live on a homestead where we'd occasionally kill and butcher chickens after giving them a long happy life of running free on a large property - basically the "happy farm" every carnist likes to pretend they buy their meat from.

It was still wrong and I think back on that time really negatively - the killing at least. I loved taking care of those little dinosaurs and watching them run around while I smoked on the front porch. They should have just been pets.

ngl you shouldn't get to eat meat regardless of your feelings about violence towards animals

you should change your diet either way tbh

I don't really hunt or farm(don't live where that's an option) but I have butchered and ate a grouse that flew into my window and died one time. Free food is free food.

I was a butcher for nine years so it doesn't bother me to break down a dead body.

What always bothered me was killing lobsters from the tank. Seeing the life leave their body was rough.

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If you can't butcher your own meat, you're using the disconnect of letting someone else handle that trauma for you to allow yourself to be complicit in the murder of a being.

Kill it and cut it yourself, or don't fucking eat it.

I've butchered birds before and I've butchered deer before.

I'd butcher them live in my house if it was cheaper to buy them live. All my poultry is bought as the whole dead bird and cut on my countertop to save money.

Better yet, just eat beans

I actually did spend a few months working at a meat plant before i started college. It was genuinely preferable to working fast food.

That would mean only absolutely creepy meat enjoyers like Mark Zuckerberg get to eat meat, because they already get off to butchering.

I've been fishing before and cleaned the fish. Not really too difficult. The only reason I wouldn't do it again is that fishing is fucking boring.

Retvrn to persistence hunting. If you can't/won't walk after an antelope for day or two until they exhaust themselves you should change your diet

I don't have much of a problem with killing animals, i just get worried I'll do it wrong and prolong their suffering, which I think is reasonable. give me the right tool setup I would go much faster. I've only had to do mercy killings of injured birds and mice, and it hasn't been that pleasant when all I have is a hammer.

Harvesting and foraging for fruits, veggies, greens, and mushrooms is such a nice experience.

Then there's butchering, hunting, and fishing. I haven't done any except fishing though I've been a witness to all. All horrifying and scarring experiences.

Apparently people do feel the same sense of achievement in these as foraging. Idk man, to me it's like the difference between finding a coin on the ground vs mugging someone