Tbf, he should abdicate to a younger Democrat. I don't want to "settle for Joe".
I was pissed when Bernie Sanders had the rug pulled out from under him.
I really want to consolidate, but not under Joe Biden.
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I want change. I want new ideas. Progress and solutions. Biden has been in government for over fifty years- most of that in the senate for over 40 years.
He’s been a senator longer than I’ve been alive
It’s not a question of age. It’s a question of stagnation.
I'll take stagnation over fascism. What is the short term plan? I mean, what happens if the orange blob snakes his way back in because the purity ponies and the "independents" stomped their feet and had a hissy?
If that guy and his cohort get back in, it is most likely over for real elections in America.
I’ll take stagnation over fascism.
It's clear that the party prefers stagnation to progress as well.
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Then vote for someone else in the primaries. But as soon as it is the general election it is either the democrat or fascism. Even if you don't vote at all, it will just strengthen the fascist party.
There's no Democratic primary this year.
I mean, Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson would probably disagree.
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You’re right about what we have to do, but are we even having primaries this time? Because of how the primary process was scheduled in 2020 Biden had the nomination all but locked up by the time I got to vote in them. I’m 100% voting for Biden, you can look into my comments and find me admonishing some asshole advocating for third party presidential candidates over Biden. But I do understand the frustration with having to vote again for someone I didn’t want the first time and isn’t representative of the direction I want the country to move in besides not wanting to be in a fascist theocracy.
That is a fair point. The primary system as well as the election system as a whole should probably reformedbut that is nearly impossible without flipping a lot of States.
I'm from Switzerland and we had a similar voting system for a long time. It was only changed by implementing more ways for the populace to directly decide about matters in both the Cantons (States) and Switzerland as a whole. So this might be a good way to implement change as it gives people a specific matter to vote on.
In Switzerland it was made possible by populists that wanted a more direct democracy.
So I hope something like this is possible for the US as well as many things like legalized weed, abortion access, a good health insurance system or voting reforms often have a stable majority among the voters, they just don't vote accordingly.
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I want to vote to change the voting system. We deserve to vote for who we trust with the job rather than against the candidate we fear most.
I have to compartmentalize pretty hard each election cycle. I wish I had time to campaign for a voting system change, but I haven't.
Should have been Bernie. SMH
It won't work. Conceding the already filled chair is seen as a weakness and they will parade that thought around. We know better, but they will not let the Dems live it down. It's the Dem nomination in 28 that matters. This year is Joe and maybe Trump. Depending on the stupidity of the Reps.
That would nearly guarantee a win for Trump. Incumbency advantage is strong as is name recognition. I don't like Biden either but he's better than a literal fascist. If Trump wins in 2024 there will not be an election in 2028.
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Here's the thing - what is the viable alternative? We are talking the orange blob otherwise, which means fascism, and the end of democracy in this nation.
Is Biden perfect? Of course not. Is he too old? Yeah, most likely. All the purity ponies and the so-called "independents" that are setting us up for another "win" (EC only) of the orange blob are not really thinking this through...
This is where I'm at. Biden is not my preferred candidate, but I don't see a better alternative stepping up. Witmer, Newsome, Shapiro, etc have all opted not to run. Joe Biden is the strongest candidate running for president that can and has beat Trump, end of story. I'd love to live in a world where I can vote for a young progressive in the 2024 general election, but we simply don't live in that world. The focus should be on pushing Biden to the left, not complaining that he's taking the place of some imagined candidate that doesn't exist.
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I want to preface this by saying I'm voting for Biden.
All the purity ponies and the so-called “independents” that are setting us up for another “win” (EC only) of the orange blob are not really thinking this through…
So, those people still exist. The party still needs their votes. Browbeating ain't gonna bring them on board. Is the party going to try appealing to them, or does it prefer Dictator Trump to lowering itself to treating the left like valued constituents?
I'm voting for Biden. But I'm also disappointed that the stuff he ran on was gleefully jettisoned by the congress that he said would work with him because of his experience. The people who are happy that minimum wage stayed put and most of BBB was gutted are now turning around and being like "vote for us! you have no choice!" and it looks for all the world like they're taking advantage of the situation.
People are giving up. Out of apathy, out of disgust, because they feel betrayed. Fuck, I'm voting for Biden and I'm feeling apathetic, disgusted, and betrayed.
Biden has 11 months to turn this around. His supporters who are demanding unquestioning happiness from everyone who has been let down by this administration aren't moving that needle in the direction that gets him re-elected. But damn, does it feel good to browbeat people who see what's coming if the party doesn't alter course.
This last sentence is the fourth time I'm going to mention that I'm voting for Biden, and I expect all four will be ignored.
Another Biden voter here:
Member the democratic primary when Joe threatened to beat up somebody questioning his (questionable as hell) record?
I member.
People don't get it, like fuck Biden. Fuck trump more, of course, but fuck Biden. And fuck all these people who want you to spoon the shit soup in with a smile.
They did the same thing to us this time as they do every time. They lied to get us to vote for them then turned around and feigned helplessness when we demanded they actually follow through.
It feels like our choices are "dark path that leads to widespread political violence" or "dark path that continues existing political violence on a smaller scale."
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How many times do we have to keep voting for the lesser evil. The more years I've been doing this the more voting for the lesser evil I hear.
Until the people who don't want the job are so fed up with how it's being done that they take the job themselves.
That's some of what sets apart an earnest politician from a corrupt one.
Personally, I think society would benefit if I got into politics. But I have so much work to do on my personal life that I don't have anything left to give. Maybe someday when I am on more sure footing, I can throw my hat in the ring and start getting involved in small scale local politics to see if I have any chops for it, but I don't know when that might be.
If we keep asking why are all these people in charge assholes, I have to ask, well why don't you run for office then?
And the sad reality seems to be that it's only the people comfortable and stable enough in life that they have the security and freedom to get into politics. Those people tend to be wealthier people they are also older. And that is not a demographic that is very representative of the teeming masses.
But hell, we barely even vote in this country. Other countries put us to shame when considering voter turnout. Voting should be the absolute bare minimum level of effort.
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The alternative is PRIMARY HIM. That ass doesn’t deserve our vote and his hubris that he will get it no matter what is driving this country into a game of chicken with madness. He must retire and the only way he will listen is if we credibly refuse to support him NOW
Didn't he initially say he was going to be a one termer? If so, he should keep his word. Either way, he should be primaries.
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Biden started out well in 21 and 22 because he tried to appeal to his progressive base. That being said, Biden is a fucking moron if he believes his neolib pivot didn't hurt his poll numbers.
It's not too late, Biden needs to pivot back to progressive policies instead of this blame the voters BS like Hillary tried. Blame leaders, not voters.
So, you have a choice. a less than perfect candidate, or someone who has already endorsed the idea of suspending the Constitution and A-bombing Palestine.
I expect to have more options on my ballot.
Why? When have you ever had a perfect candidate? I like what NYC ex-mayor Ed Koch said. "If you agree with me 51% of the time, vote for me. If you agree with me 100% of the time, see a doctor."
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It says a lot that this piece doesn’t even acknowledge Biden’s advocacy for Israel’s genocide as any kind of factor in his sinking support.
Trump's people think Biden is holding back and that we should be assisting Israel even more. There are Evangelicals who believe that we should nuke the whole Middle East to bring about the end times.
I really don't see not voting for Biden
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fuck the hill, right wing owned and biased trash
Just look at the word they chose for the title, implying they are just shouting down any dissent at all. Fuck these media fascist lovers
Another example: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/media/jimmy-finkelstein-the-hill-ukraine/index.html
Beyond his relationship with Solomon, Trump, and Giuliani, Finkelstein (owner) was Solomon’s direct supervisor at The Hill and created the conditions which permitted Solomon to publish his conspiratorial stories without the traditional oversight implemented at news outlets. And he has kept a watchful eye on the newspaper’s coverage to ensure it is not too critical of the President.
implying they are just shouting down any dissent at all.
gestures broadly at thread
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Except for Tom Daschle who gave a pretty non-committal response, the names in this article seem like nobodies. Why are the statements of random consultants a news story? Who cares what the "deputy campaign manager for John Kerry’s 2004 presidential run" or a "senior policy adviser at Holland & Knight and former senior policy adviser to Vice President Harris" says?
I sure hope these aren't the names that come up when someone asks "who are Biden's closest allies".
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
But some Democrats say comments like Axelrod’s aren’t helping especially as Biden continues to face poor polling numbers, encouraging the party to instead coalesce around the president to give him a boost.
That followed a New York Times and Siena College poll earlier this month that found Trump leading Biden in critical battleground states.
Senate Democrats are also now pushing back hard on criticism from within their own party, dismissing concerns about Biden’s electability as counterproductive.
Messina, Obama’s 2012 campaign manager, has been an advocate for Biden on social media, posting on X this week, “Polls a year out are about as good at predicting election results as a magic 8 ball would be.” Plouffe, Obama’s 2008 campaign manager, has long warned against Democrats ‘bedwetting’ and worrying about political outcomes.
Meanwhile, independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been polling with a high favorability in recent surveys, which some find problematic.
The campaign has a year to show voters the difference they’ve made and the significant legislative success over the first term, amidst extreme odds,” Nelson said.
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