GenZedong

Christ the comments here are exactly like the thread about China officially supporting a two-state solution.

"I understand the material reasons why China said what it said but I'm still gonna criticize them for not saying something far more immediately gratifying, even though I understand how it would completely undermine everything they're working to achieve."

You're all smarter than this. You all know who benefits most if China drops the ball to have a little gloat. Their words are lamenting Kissinger's passing, but their actions are continuing to destroy his legacy.

Not surprised, Kissinger was known to have played nice with China. China is sending a clear message to the US : See, it's easy. Treat us well and we'll be friends.

This is in continuation to the SWCC survival strategy, give imperialists something to chew on so you can keep your national sovereignty. This is polar opposite to the Krushtchev doctrine that caused the Sino-Soviet split so, again, no surprise.

You'll never hear cringe like this from the DPRK.

Cringe. Expected, but cringe.

Isn’t this because Kissinger pushed the US into allowing the PRC to claim the Nationalist Chinese’s seat on the UN Security Council, and getting the PRC recognized after the Sino-Soviet Split?

Also what do you expect from Putin?

There is a danger with internet brash who have neither power, nor the responsibility to use it for the benefit of hundreds of millions, a billion humans to exercise it who deign to lecture Xi on this. Who rashly rush to say 'fuck him' or as the ultras and succ-dems would do say it proves he's not really a Marxist, a communist, a comrade.

I suppose they'd prefer he drop his pants, take a shit on a picture of Kissinger and end his video message with a middle finger as if that would be anything but self gratifying behavior. And it is the habit of many in the west to engage in self-gratifying thinking, actions, and even useless self-flagellation because power is nowhere near them. This is the risk, the siren call of ultra-leftism, the divorce of some imagined purity from reality for those so far from being able to engage in practice on the level of an in power party.

It's natural but it needs to be tempered and controlled by reason.

Kissinger was a mass murderer but he was only so because of the system he had power in incentivized, encouraged, allowed it. I'm not saying he was a good human, he objectively was not and did nothing to try to stop the machine, rather lovingly oiling it. However he also objectively did things that were positive for China's development from their point of view. Was in some ways more restrained and reasonable with peer powers than many of his students who unfortunately now hold sway. In his latter years he after all thought the Ukraine policy was a mistake, that Russia had real legitimate concerns about NATO encroachment that far east, and continued to act in favor of maintaining openness with China, perhaps only out of vanity because it was seen as his crowning achievement but he did so none-the-less and China would do well, does well to encourage everyone who wants that openness.

Kissinger was an important cog but he was just a cog in a machine. He didn't seek to change its nature and was criminal of course on that count and on running millions to their deaths as a mass murderer. But in the international business of diplomacy the purview of diplomatic functions is not to engage in ruthless, religious, zealous purity testing but to do what you can with what you have. And when it comes to the stinking barrel of rotting apples that is the US trying to find a good one anywhere near the levers of power is a fool's errand, all of them have blood on their hands, care not for the proletariat, use human beings as fodder and grist for the machine. Thus those in power in other nations reach for one less rotten in ways that matter to them. At least that's the Chinese approach and I think we owe it to them to support them as they are still standing and succeeding while the USSR (which was much more confrontational) is not.

History after the revolution will likely judge Kissinger just one of a large handful of rotten, murderous, genocidal imperialists and that perhaps is the greatest slight we can give to him in death, to make him less of this towering power and assign him his reality as a cog. The blood stained hands that killed millions in Vietnam and Cambodia will not be put into the ground in the next month, they are the hands of the US itself and they continue to work. We must remember that for the victims of his and those of the modern State Dept planners.

All top level American executive, diplomatic, intelligence personnel are criminals, are party to genocide, ecocide, mass murder, war crimes, crimes against humanity. To that degree I don't feel much about this dead man other than a slight pleasure he died fearing his work was unraveling. There are those even more unhinged than him in power. And it is to those, many of them who admire on a personal level this dead monstrous man that many of these statements appeal.

One thing about us East and Southeast Asians is that we said what we're expected to said in a certain event in such a scale that once you heard one, you have heard it all.

Funeral, for example - "The dead is a good person" = I don't personally know the dead. "The dead is a good friend" = I personally know and deal with the dead. "The dead is a good kid" = The dead is my child/children, or I'm his/her teacher. You get the idea.

So, yeah, I won't read too much into an official statement on a dead person. As my parents said "Don't listen to what people said, but watch what they do" .

Please don't refer to us as "chat"

Mr. Xi then added: "Psych! Death to Amerikka! Unlimited genocide on the First World!"

I'm too happy about Kissinger's death to care about this

Xi, baby, whatchu doin'?

TIL the intolerant left hate Kissinger but tankies love him (j)

Like I said...can't agree on everything. This whole thing can go fuck itself. Fuck a pragmatism, this man is responsible for the deaths of millions of people all in the name of preserving the same hegemony that China is fighting against now.

Make it make fucking sense.

Fuck you too Xi

Compared to who came before and after Kissinger treated Chinese people much more as people. He opened up relations between the US and China at a time that that wasn't easy to do. Now, he did this to foster the Sino-Soviet split and kill Communism, but Chinese statesmen still see him as much more pragmatic and rational than the Taiwan-arming brinksmen who are currently propelling us towards World War III, and rightly so. He was someone who you could at least talk to and come to an agreement with.

yes

Kissenger was hugely responsible for the US opening up relations with the PRC, which has led to the PRC becoming the strongest nation on earth. Not that Kissenger deserves any credit, obviously.

In the case of the Russian Federation, Kissenger was an advocate of the US allying with Russia in order to keep down the rising PRC. That's why at the start of the Ukraine War, Kissenger came out in opposition.

Obviously, fuck Kissenger, but those are both reasons for these statements besides just being the kind of shit that's said in official statements

Yea, China’s been supported by the states since the 70’s.

China can have some weird moments sometimes.

he's like mini-Hitler

he bombed millions in smaller 3rd world countries (Hitler killed millions of Jews and Roma) but also indirectly caused the fall of the US empire (Hitler indirectly ended colonialism)

Official press statements are something else lol