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[–] [email protected] 59 points 7 months ago (1 children)

men play as women in video games, but i am a man and i do not play women in video games (if given the option)

the only conclusion i can draw from this is that i am a woman

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago

All roads lead to rome

[–] [email protected] 59 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 months ago (1 children)

its just the hitbox plz understand ITS JUST THE HITBOX I SWEAR-

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (1 children)

this is how the transgenders get you

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 7 months ago (5 children)

there's simply no shot that a sizeable percentage of men who play girl characters aren't eggs shrug-outta-hecks

very surprised to see the video not even mention this possibility

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (6 children)

What if we find gender fluidity interesting, but lack body dysmorphia(well, regarding sex anyway. I don't like my body, but that's because I could stand to loose some weight). I also grew up a bit on Ranma 1/2. I don't have a particular body I want to be in, but I think swapping on desire would be cool. There's no trauma or hardship in my feelings, just general interest.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

How long have you been exploring this?

This is the kind of thing I've seen people in their first years exploring gender say, only to then later on come back and be like "yeah lol lmao" at their earlier thoughts when things change for them later on.

This will probably come across as condescending but it's not and I sincerely wish you all the best. It's just difficult to guess this information through the internet you know.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

yeah i kinda loathe the idea of the 'prime directive of transness' that some people espouse. nah im for trans colonialism of every cishet mind. jokes aside, i think a lot of people are afraid of pressuring someone, when really all youre doing is stating similar experiences to avoid thought termination. i kinda wish i had someone grab me by the collar and ~~trans my gender forcefully~~ inform me of trans shit in a detailed way when i was younger, would have saved so much heartache and wasted time.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I think the problem is that it always comes across as if you're speaking down to someone like they're a child. It's a very much a "you're at an early stage" thing and inevitably because you're talking about a passage of time experience it ALWAYS comes across as "you just need time to mature". The roles are always sort of someone more-developed vs someone less-developed, and for the person being placed in the less-developed role essentially against their will (they didn't choose to have a teacher/student conversation) of the interaction this feels like condescension.

So I have to hedge like crazy while doing this to try and get it across that I am saying this because I genuinely truly care and want to help. It's quite plausible that it might not be that, but it's also going to be better for them to explore faster, sooner, rather than slower and feeling dumb about earlier-self later like literally everyone has had that shared experience.

There has to be a better way to go about this for more positive outcomes.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

yeah thats true, i find it more helpful to just describe my experience in detail, theres been a lot of people that came to me and talked about stuff but just ended up being cis guys that like cock and crossdressing. they felt like they didnt fit in the masculinity box and felt weird because of it, but really they just wanted to redefine what masculinity was in their head, and the real masculinity is not giving a fuck about what other men think and being a sigma chad into the maid girl outfit grindset

ok i really need to stop making really shit jokes in this thread. if you wanna amplify your experience of my posts, please imagine noam chomsky saying what im saying

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago

One minute, you're giggling at one of those sissy hypno videos because the "subliminal" messages are just so over-the-top silly. The next, you're buying a copy of The C Programming Language by Kernighan and Ritchie off of Amazon and there's a pair of striped thigh-highs in your cart because hey, bundle deal. Then you wake up one morning and start cruising the Turkish dark Web for DIY hormones.

It's not a vicious cycle, per se, but there's definitely a point in there somewhere that you have to stop and say, "yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm not cis."

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I will definitely let you know that (I'm assuming you're AMAB) that's not a thought that most cis men have. That also resonates super deeply with me, not only do I like expressing some masculine and some feminine qualities, but I also have a lot of qualities that I wish I could control on demand too. Genderfluidity and non-binaryness are definitely identities that can be "hatched" imo. I consider myself someone who used to be an egg and hatched, I'm on a typical transwoman's hormone regimen, but I'm definitely more nonbinary/genderfluid than I am trans woman.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

Dysphoria/Dysmorphia isn't a requirement to be trans or nonbinary. There are folks who only get euphoria from it

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

I don't like my body, but that's because I could stand to loose some weight)

hm, yes this is also why i thought i didnt like my body thonk-trans

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

Sorry new law by Joe biden you admitting this means you must now be trans. Please report to your local queerification clinic to have your genders applied.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (8 children)

I play girl characters in games far more than I used to, but I mean, I don't think I'm uncomfortable with my assigned gender(?)

However, I wouldn't be truthful here if I didn't admit that I've started to question how comfortable I really am with living life as a man. I can't tell if there's something about that I don't like, or if I'm just dissatisfied with life in general right now. Or both.

One thing I do know for sure is that girl characters are just more fun to look at. Seriously, my favorite Tav on BG3 is just the most beautiful Amazonian tiefling, I love her so much

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (7 children)

so it begins

you have a very neat road ahead of you

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If by "neat" you mean very painful because generally once that egg cracks various feelings get worse and worse and worse and worse until something is done about it... I sincerely hope they have a good network around them if that's the road coming.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Questioning is good! I love when folks take the opportunity to explore their gender. Even if at the end of it you find you are in fact cis, you are deepening your knowledge of yourself and your gender identity. Honestly, I think the world would be a better place if everyone took the time to do that. All the best to you in the new year!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

Thank you so much, you as well! And yeah, this has been a weird, difficult year for me, and it's come with a fair bit of introspection for sure. I finally admitted to myself that I'm bisexual, though I'm already committed and haven't been able to really explore that yet.

At any rate, my most honest answer that I can give right now is that I'm probably cis, but not terribly interested in performing manhood traditionally. How far and in what fashion I want to break away from that is something I haven't yet figured out. But I might also on some level be conflating those feelings with the deep envy and yearning I feel when I see the solidarity between women, particularly trans women, and other queer people generally. It's made me realize just how lonely I've been for so many years. Part of that is on me, I'm terrible about putting myself out there, but I suspect it's also to do with manhood generally. Whatever the case, I really am tired of it.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

in my case I turned out to be agender, and although I am not a woman or femme IRL I gravitate more towards female characters in part because I don't like identifying with men. also girls are pretty

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I think there's a large degree of "this question is not nearly as important to me as it is to society" here. It's very important to have an explanation for why you, a man, want to portray a woman in a fictional context up here in our culture.

But i don't really care about that. That's something other people care about a lot. I just made up this cool lady in my head and want to go be her while i murder things for a while.

I think there might also be some "the only way to not portray a toxic masculinity manchild in a lot of games is be a woman or an alien" , too. Like most shooters are made for a statistically average 24 year old American man and I am extremely not that and often find almost any other character more relatable than dudebro mc doodbroson.

I wonder if there isn't an element of "if i'm portraying a woman i can also, for once, take off the cloak of fear and violence that i must otherwise carry around as a man in this society" thing going on. Cause that cloak is really fucking heavy. I don't like wearing it. And sometimes in fictional spaces, by portraying a woman (or, in one notable case, a genderless pile of greasy rags with a katana sticking out of it that would sometimes do extreme violence :kenshi-ninja: on behalf of their friends) not so much bc i want to be a woman, but bc in that moment i want to escape from the weight and terror of being a man in our society. Idk gonna have to think about it. Bc what if the gender expression you dislike isn't the internal self-conception, butt he horrible social, political, and economic realities that come with being assigned that gender? Like I don't have strong feelings about being a man, but it is very definitely what "fits". But i have very big feelings about being an American man and a white man and a straight man and a bunch of other kinds of man in this specific violent and awful culture, and i'm thinking that sometimes being not-a-man is a way to escape that burden of cultural horror, rather than a desire to not be a man. Damn, that sounds smart, i'ma have to work on that, i've been trying to figure out how to express that for a long time. I don't want to be a man, not bc i want to be something else, but bc being a man in this society makes your a person who harms other people, even when you don't mean to or are actively trying not to, and i don't want that part, but there's no way to get rid of just that part in this society at this time.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

I think there might also be some "the only way to not portray a toxic masculinity manchild in a lot of games is be a woman or an alien"

I would very much concur with that. I would rather be portrayed by a woman than that guy. It's more interesting and and flavourful than generic dude xyz. I reject most of societies notion of being a man, so why not be a woman here in this space free from consequences.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

I guess I prefer to play women in games because most games dont let me play as either VERY feminine guy or a guy clad in heavy and spiky armour. (or the options for black chars suck but thats a whole other discussion)

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Better customization options. I remember a Poke-tuber talking about watching his GF play Pokemon sun and moon and being like "wait you got a skirt? why don't I have one" and realizing that it was not so much that he wanted his character to have a skirt, but that he was uninterested in having like 4 options for pants that only changed in slight ways. You usually get shorts and pants, maybe a jeans option. As opposed to shorts, pants, tights, skirt, mini-skirt, and dress just for starters in a lot of games.

Also so many games have male protagonists, and for games with an option the male one rarely matches the uniqueness or skill of a Nolan North or Roger Craig Smith, usually they feel generic even if not bad, but due to the lack of female protags their voices really get to shine even when just one of two choices.

Best example is assassins creed Odyssey. Alexios' voice is made fun of a lot and while it is not godawful, it feels like less of a full performance of a unique character, whereas Kassandra's VA won awards and it so beloved. She gave a performance that MADE that game and sold Kassandra as a full character. Now Kassandra was supposed to be the only protag so that makes the comparison a bit unfair, but you get my point

edit: Shepard is another good example. one performance is just way WAY better than the other

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

playing as a man geordi-no

playing as a woman geordi-no

playing as some kind of non-human, beast race geordi-yes cmnd-marcos-pog xigma-male

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've always felt like I played girls in games because I really dug Xena: Warrior Princess as a kid and she became the default "action hero" in my head.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I pretty much always make my melee characters women, just feels more badass being a girl boss lopping off heads.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

Women who could rip out my spine are my weakness (literally)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

Because they look better. Thats the answer in the majority of situations. The video even adresses this in the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Usually there are more interesting customization options other than “big coat” and “big coat with a belt”. Plus for me, it’s no different than me playing with Barbie’s as a kid. They’re all just toys available to me and I’m not going to deprive myself of fun because some other guy wants to restrict himself to a single figurine. Not that deep for my experiences at least.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I had to check if this was in dunk tank or not as I didn't like the start of this video and nearly turned it off, but I can not fault the hypothesis or conclusions being put forward. It's a genuinely excellent explanation.

EDIT: Is 6:25 a cry for help?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

i play third person games and i want to look at someone appealing. if they had better twink options we could reconsider this but i am not into gruff video game protagonist man chic. no i havent played zelda

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (4 children)

For a significant percentage of men I bet it's specifically because of Jennifer Hale. She was a way better voice actor for Shepard in mass effect than the dude, all players just keep chasing that high in other games.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Remembers playing Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines curious-marx

"Is this video talking about me?" curious-marx

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure my first VtMB character was a female Malkavian.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

Girls are pretty.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What does it say about me if instead of being drawn to playing women, I'm drawn to playing monsterous races when available, especially if they're ontologically evil? My characters are still male, but usually inhuman or subhuman in some way.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

It means you have patrician taste

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I do it bc its funny as fuck in this Game of Thrones server I play in to walk in as Margaery Tyrell, declare an edict to kill all nobility and landlords, kill everyone in the room, and jump out a window and die.

I’ve literally heard ppl in the discord chat going “Oh god its her

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

The reason I did was that I was extremely closeted and it somehow kept me sane until I figured things out. I barely play video games these days shrug-outta-hecks

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

I would sometimes play the generic looking dude out of a sort of pity or maybe just wanting a character that wouldn't catch a cold as easily.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

I do it because I’m trans and wish I was smol

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