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'Jews are predisposed to calling for genocide and it's part of our rich but often misunderstood quirky cultural heritage, but we can't actually do it, even when we are, because.... reasons' is one one hell of a take from a 'left' history professor and author:

As the author of ‘Jews and Words’, a book that celebrates the Jewish culture of debate and textuality, I must spell out something that the book didn’t mention, a negative aspect of our talkative legacy.

You may not like it, but here it is.

This morning’s proceedings in The Hague focus on genocidical talk in the Israeli public sphere. There are dozens of examples: ministers, Knesset members, influencers. Even the manipulative Netanyahu mentioned Amalek, the ancient people that the Bible singled out for eradication. Never mind that great rabbis have determined long ago that Amalek is obsolete, and the biblical verdict does not apply to any existing nation.

What stands on trial today is the ancient Jewish habit of speaking to each other as if no one else is listening. The Jewish habit of making extreme statements irresponsibly, unthoughtfully, without expecting any payback.

For so many centuries we have exercised a wild freedom of speech among ourselves, in our own languages, relying on our own argumentative balance mechanism: extremism and moderation may clash, and moderation usually triumphs. The House of Shammai is legitimate, but the House of Hillel, the moderates, usually wins. Israeli verbal culture inherited this freedom. But Israel is also a liberal democracy and member of the global community. Most of the loudmouths crying Genocide and Amalek are not aware of the profound dissonance, the huge damage, the justified outrage. Some don’t care.

Only a small minority wants actual genocide in Gaza and are morally crippled enough to carry it through: the extreme national-religious right. The fact that Netanyahu allowed these thugs into his government and echoes their discourse is an eternal blot on Jewish history.

Our disputative, wordy culture deserves to be celebrated, but it must denounce its dangerous outcrop of inciters to blind violence. Their Amalekite speech has become too viable to bear. Too doable.

No, Israel is not conducting genocide. But its ongoing rant about “flattening Gaza” is no longer a quaint side effect of our argumentative heritage.

It is a crime, a travesty and a harrowing blow to the best of Jewish traditions.

Later, from her responses:

This horrific, dirty, ugly war is not genocide. If that was our intention, Gaza would cease to exist on 8/10 and 500 of our soldiers would still be alive.

Ah yes, genocide has to be the instantaneous Thanos-like removal of a population just like it was in Germany during the... errrr.... monke-beepboop

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[-] [email protected] 58 points 6 months ago

What stands on trial today is the ancient Jewish habit of speaking to each other as if no one else is listening. The Jewish habit of making extreme statements irresponsibly, unthoughtfully, without expecting any payback.

This after months of pearl-clutching over "from the river to the sea" or random people using common words like "martyr" or "jihad".

[-] [email protected] 40 points 6 months ago

Lol, lmao even:

[-] [email protected] 51 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This horrific, dirty, ugly war is not genocide. If that was our intention, Gaza would cease to exist on 8/10 and 500 of our soldiers would still be alive.

Ah, that makes sense. So since China didn't instantly nuke Xinjiang that means it's not a genocide either. I'm sure this guy would wholeheartedly back denouncing this as a "genocide" then. If the world stage buys this argument for Isreal then they better never even once say a single fucking thing about China again

[-] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago

This is honestly the most brainwormed bit of the the entire thing and it's not a slip either, she repeats the arguement elsewhere in relation to other tweets. It is, by its own logic, Holocaust denial surely. The idea that a history professor, however brainwormed, can have this level of cognative dissonence is honestly baffling. Zionism, like most fascist reactionary thought, isn't really thought at all and instead some sort of bizarre malady.

[-] [email protected] 47 points 6 months ago

"the holocaust isn't real because I would have done it better"

[-] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago

Reminds me of the person on the Wikipedia talk page for the Afghanistan war saying the U.S. actually won it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)/Archive_16

To say America lost the war in Afghanistan is a huge lie because America never really tried fighting seriously after accomplishing its objective.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago

In the NBA there’s an unwritten rule where if one team is dominating, they’re expected to run the timer while the losing team gives up and refuses to continue playing seriously so that the losing team may lose gracefully (i.e. the score discrepancy isn’t too high).

Despite the agreement, it would be delusional to say that the losing team didn’t lose just because they didn’t put in effort lol.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

"Okay, okay, we lost the game, but our starters' plus-minus in the first quarter was really great, so . . ."

[-] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

'We traded uncontested dunks in the first possessions of the game and then lost so badly that they continued to roll us in garbage time, but to say we lost is a huge lie because we stopped trying after we got that dunk.'

[-] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago

What stands on trial today is the ancient Jewish habit of speaking to each other as if no one else is listening. The Jewish habit of making extreme statements irresponsibly, unthoughtfully, without expecting any payback.

In a surprising turn of events, now even the Israel-supporting Jews are not Real Jews™ since every one I've met in-person actually has a verbal filter, unlike this weirdo!

[-] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Somewhere out there is a zionist furiously typing up and deleting a response to your post because it always ends up being some variation of "well of course we lie to the goyim."

Every single Jew I know, even the Israeli ones, have a filter when talking and never casually call for genocide. The fact that someone is trying to defend incitement to genocide as a cultural trait is laughable.

[-] [email protected] 40 points 6 months ago

Ugh, this sounds like a white supremacist talking about how mass violence is a sacred part of white "culture", and I'm the real bigot for not simply letting white people annihilate all life on earth for the lulz.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago

Ugh, this ~~sounds like~~ is a white supremacist talking about how mass violence is a sacred part of white "culture", and I'm the real bigot for not simply letting white people annihilate all life on earth for the lulz.~~___~~

[-] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

What stands on trial today is the medieval German habit of speaking to each other as if no one else is listening. The German habit of making extreme statements irresponsibly, unthoughtfully, without expecting any payback.

No, the Third Reich was not conducting genocide. But its long-winded rant about “The Final Solution” is no longer a quaint side effect of our argumentative heritage.

--Some dude at Nuremberg, probably

[-] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago

Incredible they can't even try to defend against genocide charges without talking about how the invincible IDF is really holding back.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

And not only that, they just... don't. It's not genocide because it's not. It's not genocide because it can't be. That's the whole arguement.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

Yeah we're really pushing the boundaries of the word "defense" in every way lately

[-] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Can I just opine real quick that "it's not this specific kind of man-made horror because we're capable of much greater horrors that would entail reckless disregard to even our own wellbeing" is neither good rhetoric nor an effective way to convince someone that you're something other than a despair-fueled nightmare being from beyond the stars in a borrowed human skin?

Bonus:

From the river to the sea we all need urgent therapy.

shinji-losing-it why do I read the threads when will I finally learn my lesson

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

is neither good rhetoric nor an effective way to convince someone that you're something other than a despair-fueled nightmare being from beyond the stars in a borrowed human skin?

“I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it” lol

[-] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago

When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago

You may not like it, but here it is.

You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like. This is the ideal zionist genocidal form.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago
[-] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago

The fact that Netanyahu allowed these thugs into his government and echoes their discourse is an eternal blot on Jewish history.

THE COSSACKS WORK FOR THE FUCKING TZAR!

[-] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago
[-] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

You don't understand

Because Israel has a lower population, this is like 3 9/11's

[-] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago

It's just their sense of humor, you wouldn't understand.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

"We're just doing a bit"

[-] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

The antisemitism of Zionism is just something else.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Thars not an ancient Jewish quirk, that's Larry David. He's just one man, he doesn't represent all of Judaism

[-] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

The fucking humblebrag

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah, some of those Three Stooges episodes aged poorly. (This is a joke, I'm not sure what take that troupe or the people therein had on Israel.)

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago
[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Is he actually trying to go for a "it's just a prank bro! We didn't really mean it! It was just a social experiment!" for a defense of Israel's actions?

It really astounds me how anyone can support the Zionists at this point, you honestly have to be either the dumbest motherfucker or just straight up evil, caring more about image and "civility" than people's lives.

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