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Major spoilers for RDR2.
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The entirety of the debtor storyline pretty much sums up Arthur’s entire character arc. He loathes working for ~~Muller~~ Strauss in the (first?) collection mission he contracts the illness that eventually wakes him the fuck up. Over the course of the game when you accept missions from Muller, Arthur snipes at him over the nature of his work and grouses about having to be his attack dog. When he finds out he is dying, he starts wrestling with his mortality and with it his morality. This culminates with him giving ~~Muller~~ Strauss the boot from the camp. (Or I think outright killing him? It might be a decision I can’t remember.)My biggest criticism of the games writing is it saying “Arthur doing these shakedowns is the thing that literally kills him” It’s a bit too on the nose but overall the writing is great.
Sorry if I don't get involved in this discussion as I don't know the game enough. I just think that it's cool that you two are really hashing this out.
This discussion shows one of the main reasons why it's such a good game though. It has a depth that very few other games have achieved, not just in terms of the world and lore, but as a genuinely human kind of story that also manages not to turn all its social commentary into tepid, lib-friendly clichés.
However I don't know why people in this thread keep calling the loan shark character "Muller." His name is Strauss.
Yeah that’s on me.
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he doesn't kill him he basically runs him out the camp with a "GO ON GIT!" kinda thingThere is literally nothing wrong with this? What exactly is the criticism?
Its a minor criticism, but my issue with it is it’s not subtle. Like working for a debtor was obviously killing Arthur spiritually and metaphorically, making it also literally killing him seemed unnecessary.
Oh I get you, but I don’t think that was because they couldn’t be subtle, that was because it was a prequel and there is absolutely no mention of Arther in the first game, so he kinda has to die.
Oh no I agree he has to die, the story is a tragedy, just the manner of his death in this way was a little silly.
Agree to disagree. But I would like to hear an alternative if you have one.
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I don't think you can kill him you just get the option to run him out of camp eventually