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AOC Asked People Who Voted For Both Her And Trump To Explain Why—And Their Answers Are Eye-Opening
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Good analysis:
"Ppl like her because she’s real. Ppl perceive Trump as real too. Dems need to do a better job of just being real with ppl. Coming on social media and chatting with ppl, etc."
That's why people liked Bernie too.
AOC is real.
But DJT is the most fictional character who's ever existed. Nothing he's ever said, done, or been has been true.
Sadly, we're stuck in the reality that allows his falsehoods to affect real humans.
Well, like the quoted person said:
Now, I have no idea how anyone could possibly think that, unless they only get Trump sanewashed by their favorite news outlet.
You vastly, vastly overestimate the intelligence of the average person/voter.
Most Americans read and write at a 6th or 7th grade level.
Most Americans have never had critical thinking as part of their educational curricula. If you're very lucky you'll cover critical thinking skills as part of AP English in highschool, otherwise that's a second semester course your freshman year of college. Most Americans can't look at a particular piece of media and unpack what it's saying and why it's saying it. Americans are ridiculously easy to manipulate as a result.
Tbf most schools don't. Mine in the UK didn't either. Critical thinking isn't something a curriculum can teach you, it's something you need to pick up yourself and adapt from all the other things you're taught. School can definitely help you develop those skills tho although I think this is just another reflection of how badly the US invests in education. That and the rampant misinformation and propaganda all over the place that seems to teach people to only trust what reaffirms their own beliefs. Society is f*cked until we actually take a long hard look at where we are, why, and where we should be.
That's just not true. Yes, you can pick it up yourself but this is not an unteachable concept.
Well that may be a good excuse if you’re failing your critical thinking class. I had one in college and it was great.
No.
We need a standard high school class that is some kind of intro to epistemology, how to study something scientifically, how to root out bias, and maybe even a little on logical fallacies.
How many high school grads are even aware of the concept of confirmation bias?
I fear we as a collective society are just so, so bad about knowing how to find the correct answer to something. Despite all the technology at our fingertips, so many people learn things the same way humans have for centuries: somebody I trust told me!
Which fucking sucks...Empathy is an AP course.
It’s the power of propaganda. The dems just need to start sending out mailers that scare voters like the republicans do. Shouldn’t be difficult. All they have to do is send everyone a copy of project 2025 a page at a time. They also need to hire a social media team that astroturfs and gets the talking points out.
It doesn't work, they ran plenty of ads on P2025 and people responded that "Trump won't really do that, Dems are just trying to scare us."
I wonder if we listen to Trump more than they do. I have a hard time believing people can listen to him speak and come out with ideas like “he’s real”, “telling it like it is”, “he’ll do better with the economy”. Ok, maybe the last one because people are dumb
People here always talk about conservatives getting their news from Facebook or Fox.
But the connection I didn’t make until way too recently….. maybe they don’t know any politics firsthand. My Facebook tells me Trump is “telling it like it is”, so I don’t need to listen to him
Nah, DJT is real AF.
He said he’s gonna round up 20+ Million immigrants, I believe it. He says he’s gonna send the military after the enemy within, like Pelosi and Schiff, I believe it. He says don’t worry, no one’s ever going to need to vote again, to keep him in power, I definitely believe it.
He's gonna try, I doubt he can convince the military to do anything to high ranking democratic officials.
Maybe if a "lower ranking" democratic congressperson like AOC do a BLM protest in Washington D.C, she might get harassed by the capitol police, but they'll be fine. I doubt she'll get shot.
The average civillian, however, if you still have any yard signs indicating that you support any democratic candidates, you might wanna take those down, because you might randonly get investigated for whatever trumped-up (pun intended) charges they invent. Or get a no-knock raid and ends with buller holes in your skull.
If you look "Mexican" to them, you could get deported if you don't have your papers with you, even if you are legal, or even a citizen. (Might wanna look into getting a fireproof safe to store those documents, also keep photo backups of any documents that prove that you are here legally)
It’ll be border patrol, the same goons he used to break up protests
It's easy for a serial liar to sound "real" when they are lying. That's what they're good at.
When you at least attempt to keep to the truth, it limits how appealing your sales pitch is.
He does not use politics speak. That's all.
But you're right, it's a very good distinction.
A real union buster
Whoever was running Harris campaign needs to be barred from being in charge of any political campaign ever again; talk about legendary levels of mismanagement.
They had the golden opportunity to lean into the ‘weird’ meme and hammer Trump/Vance on that issue - but decided against it because it was what, ‘demeaning’?
The Dems need a firebrand, with a truely populist message and policies; rather than just lip service.
The dumbfucks who stayed home chose not to have elections again.
Oh I thought it was the dumbfucks in the Democrat party who chose to run a shit campaign and marginalised their voters into not showing up while they focused on getting lobbying money and chasing right wingers fault 🤷
Both things can be true at the same time; the world isn’t black and white - but various shades of grey.
The Harris campaign was awfully milquetoast, but people’s indifference also played a major role.
Don't run a campaign that inspires indifference then.
Yes, but that doesn't give a false sense of political superiority to people on the Internet
Implicitly. But if you look at the responses given in the article, I do not believe these people knew what they were choosing implicitly.
So many of them seem to be rejecting the government as it is, and stupid as it may be, Trump republicans are the only ones filling that void.
The Tea Party and Occupy Wallstreet were movements created to drag the parties into areas where they'd rebel against what voters perceived as a ruination of the country.
One of them got their party switched out for heroes of their movement, the other was arrested en masse.
This is all you need to know
I mean besides that fact that the former thought black people where ruining the country and the latter blamed the fact that no one can fucking afford food or housing.
For whatever reason, when I'm hearing about Dems in the swing state I'm in, I'm hardly ever hearing why you should be excited to vote for the Dem candidate, but instead why the Rep candidate is so awful that you simply must vote Dem to stop them. Like, there was about a week(?) that Harris and Walz seemed to be coming out of the gate going "we're gonna be so awesome, don't even worry about the weirdos on the other side", but then it became "please, it is of Vital Importance you do not vote for Trump, we promise Harris will be better than him", and I just don't understand why they changed.
When Walz was picked I really thought we would see a sliver of actual leftist ideology in their platform.
Democrats need to realize they're trying to win elections, not "Ribbon for Best Behaved Boy Scout Troop"
I wonder what these numbskulls thought of Tim Walz. He seemed to do the real, down-to-earth thing pretty well also.
It was just too late. Plus, he was supporting Harris, who they didn't see as genuine.
It was too late, but they also muzzled him, didn't they? Just like the Weird business.
Yeah they did
We need real populists, that go after people's needs, not pseudopopulists like in GOP.
Hard to pull that off when the entire core of the DNC is permanently latched onto the corporate teat.
We have a lot of work ahead of us if we want to break the core of the party and force even a smidgen of compromise out of them that costs their corporate donors profits.
Problem is there's too many vested interests. Bernie Sanders would have made a great president. In 2016.
Bernie would have crashed just as hard with the same apparatus behind him.
Do you think Trump is charismatic on camera? No! It's not him or his policy, it's that his message would just not get through.
Harris turnout was lower than Biden. Trump's was just barely up, but pretty much the same as last time. That means something with Harris failed. That's the thing that changed.
Harris had the slight problem of 4 years of being VP to Biden where people aren't better off and then saying she is basically doing the same as Biden.
And people are misogynist and racist.
Couldn’t be misogyny and racism. Has to be “she didn’t get her message out”.
Everyone looking for "the" answer needs to realize it was a ton of stuff. Lack of a primary, failing to separate from Biden, campaigning with Republicans, failure to take a hard stance on genocide, ignorant/ill-informed voters, propaganga, misogyny, and racism are only some of the reasons.
Misogyny and racism are the roadblocks to get through, and constantly influences what the public perceives she can/can't do. Versus trump who could "shoot someone on 5th ave"
You're not wrong or anything, all the stuff matters, it just hurts her more than average white male politician when the stuff she can control isn't executed perfectly. They should have prepared for this rhetorical of biden not running and had a plan in place, it was such a scramble.
It certainly didn't help, but no I'm pretty confident that isn't the factor that changed.
Anyway, agreeing with that creates an issue. The democrats can only control what they do. Blaming it on voters just not liking women or PoC means the only solution is to only run white men. I don't agree with that. There's things that went wrong that democrats can control that aren't just that. Primarily, appealing to the working class. Yeah, democrats are better for them but their message wasn't appealing to them while Trump's was.
Could be that "I'll preserve the current untenable status quo" was a shit message.
Sorry buddy, but you're wrong. You wish it was that easy to handwave away the democrats failures. We can't afford to let the blue conservatives run in circles in that tiny box they think in any longer.
The democrats need to give us that change Obama promised us. They need to give 3rd parties equal access to the electoral system by getting rid of First Past The Post voting in states they control.
It's over... they had their chance. Pass electoral reform and get the fuck out of the way.