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The poll found 50% of Democrats approve of how Biden has navigated the conflict while 46% disapprove — and the two groups diverge substantially in their views of U.S. support for Israel. Biden’s support on the issue among Democrats is down slightly from August, as an AP-NORC poll conducted then found that 57% of Democrats approved of his handling of the conflict and 40% disapproved.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sorry I wasn't aware that Hamas is using infants?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, but the did kill a lot of them intentionally and have stated their goal is to do so again and again until all the Jews are dead.

[–] xerazal 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know, Israel could single handedly dismantle Hamas non violently by accepting a two state solution where the two sides work together for mutual benefit.

Just saying, hamas has whatever support it has purely as a resistance movement against Israel for their apartheid regime. Their support would fizzle away if Israel were to do the right thing and try to actually improve the material well-being of the Palestinian population and give them the freedom and state they've wanted.

The problem is, right now what Israel is doing is only going to hurt them in the long run, not help them. The ideology of Hamas is that, an ideology. You can't kill an idea with bombs, that only makes it stronger. And Israel is only digging their own grave by constantly killing civilians at this level, because every Middle Eastern Nation around will never try to work with them again and probably start warring with Israel again, and I'm sorry but Israel isn't gonna survive that. They were so close to finally getting some sort of peace agreement with Saudi Arabia, and now that's nothing but a pipe dream again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You know, Israel could single handedly dismantle Hamas non violently by accepting a two state solution where the two sides work together for mutual benefit.

That's news to Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weren't they on the cusp of a two state solution before Arafat pulled out?

[–] xerazal 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1207243717/23-years-ago-israelis-and-palestinians-were-talking-about-a-two-state-solution

Arafat's negotiators on the Palestinian side were serious about wanting a two state solution and wanted to come up with a deal with the Israelis, but something stopped Arafat from going through with it. He told clinton he didn't want to give up Jerusalem as it's a holy site to muslims (it is for Jews and Christians too, so ngl I don't think anyone wants to not have Jerusalem. But that's Arafat, not all Palestinians. Yes that was their leader, but yk not every leader has unanimous support from the people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

He basically was willing to discuss all the areas where the Israelis were making concessions. He wasn't willing to discuss any of the areas where the Palestinians were supposed to make concessions. So it seemed like he had just said no.

But what I subsequently learned - about 18 months ago, I had a dinner with a former Palestinian negotiator who'd been part of the delegation. He said the whole Palestinian delegation had decided among themselves they should accept it. They went back to Arafat, and Arafat said no. I subsequently heard from another Palestinian on that delegation who said Arafat thought he could still do a better deal under Bush because he thought maybe Bush will be even more forthcoming.

Holy shit, so Arafat alone basically blew the best chance we had.

Jerusalem should just be made a UN protectorate or independent third city-state at this point as part of a two-state solution (like the Vatican).

And yeah, I know everyone will hate that idea, but hey, at least then everyone will hate the idea.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, until Israel goes away. Israel != Jews.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's ironic there's a commentary right above you arguing that Israel could get Peace by simply offering a two-state solution we're both States exist.

At this point if Israel goes away it be genocide. There's whole generations of people that were born and raised in Israel. There's really nowhere for those people to flee to where they'd be safe other than maybe the US.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The country is not the people. Saying you want the country gone is entirely different.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Without the country who will protect the people who live there?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whatever government is put in place after. Exactly the same as every other post colonial region.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Specifically who?