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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Why are these assholes so against helping people? These fuckers are nothing but greedy sociopaths.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (9 children)

conservatives view social hierarchy as a necessity which must be enforced. if you’re at the bottom, you deserve to be there, and if you’re there, you suffer because you deserve it, and because you’re at the bottom, you deserve to suffer. cruelty is the point, and without it, there can’t be the joy of their success.

anything else, to them, is profane and must be fought/destroyed. anyone who tries to climb above their position must be punished.

relevant videos:

The Alt-Right Playbook: Always a Bigger Fish

Endnote 3: The Origins of Conservatism

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A Conservative is someone who can't enjoy their dinner without knowing some else is hungry

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm stealing that.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only thing baffling about any of this is that somehow, millions of ordinary, working/middle-class Americans believe that this system benefits them more than the alternative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah, they're just pissed and want to believe they've been wronged by some "other". Ironically, they're 100% correct, but have identified the wrong "other". Baffling, indeed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've always regarded that episode of the playbook as especially astute.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

the whole “Playbook” is pretty great, bit this one is excellent for explaining exactly why conservatives see things the way they do

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you for the links. They were very enlightening.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"I'm not getting debt relief, so why should they" is their only argument. They're just greedy.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

And many of them got covid bailouts and never had to pay a penny back and do not think even for a moment that their actions are hypocritical

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't need student debt relief, it won't affect me. But I am extremely for it - it's called wanting a better life for your fellow human being.

Compassion - it's not a difficult concept if you're not a narcissistic a$$hole.

And as an added bonus, the money currently going to banks would actually get better distributed to businesses (both big and small) and act as a net gain to our economy. But screw that - we don't want some bank stocks to dip and affect some wealthy pension plans! /s

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

They've become so focused on political "points" and afraid of the other "team" scoring a "point" that they're willing to do anything, regardless of the optics.

Because they don't stop and look at the bigger picture - it's just political capital they can push around or dangle as a carrot in front of voters for future elections.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Because either they got theirs and fuck everyone else. Or, they never got theirs and fuck everyone who might get theirs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Because the corporations that own the private colleges and universities that overcharge on tuition also are the ones that hand out student loans.

They stand to lose billions of dollars in predatory profit if they can't collect interest on student loans.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because Ronnie RayGun said it is dangerous for government to help people. Totally cool for government to help those poor billionaires though.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Simple answer I think is GOP don't want anyone in their base to think any form of government assistance is good and will always label it as hand outs. More government assistance/social safety nets means their capitalist overlords gets to maintain and build their control over citizens and money will flow to them instead. Also "liberals bad!"

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The "I got mine, fuck you" crowd really hates progress.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The student loan interest rates are exuberant, while I support the nullification of times past, I'd also like to see the core issue being taken care of

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yes, let's do both.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's one thing I don't understand: does loan cancellation consist of the government paying off the loan, or is it a legal nullification of somebody's loan? If it's the former, I get economic concerns. If it's the latter, then I really don't see arguments against loan cancellation as very credible.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's cancellation of the loans. They're government loans being forgiven, not private loans paid back by the government.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Trillion dollar budget for the military industrial complex? Money well spent! A single dime spent to help taxpayers? Socialism!

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sounds good, I'll keep voting for the party that hates US citizens

-Fucking dipshits who think they're doing anything other than volunteer work for billionaires

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not volunteer work if they're getting paid by said billionaires taps head

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Like any of them do it for money (those that vote straight R)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

So where are all of the conservative "if Biden actually wanted to cancel student loan debt he would just do it" people now

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How many of these conservatives tried to cancel the Trump and Bush tax cuts for the wealthy? Fuck conservatives!!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well right because those clearly trickle down as you can see by the constant record-breaking wealth inequality.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I'm sure that just like overturning Roe this will bode well for Republicans next year lol

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

We should sue the government because of all the tax cuts for the rich if this is how conservatives feel the need to act

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

i should sue for all the ppp loans that were forgiven. how unfair is that. rich people got loans forgiven yet you or i cannot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Most PPP loans didn’t even save any jobs

Went directly into the business owners pocket to buy swimming pools, boats & exotic cars.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is legitimately a good idea. Does anyone know a lawyer that would take that case on?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stop voting for Republicans. They don't want the government helping students and workers. All they have is hating on people who are woke. The Woke are minorities, LGBTQ, and non Christians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Not even just Christians, anyone not their brand of "Christianity", the brand that hates everyone, gets the woke label as well.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Two conservative groups are asking a federal court to block the Biden administration’s plan to cancel $39 billion in student loans for more than 800,000 borrowers.

In a lawsuit filed Friday in Michigan, the groups argue that the administration overstepped its power when it announced the forgiveness in July, just weeks after the Supreme Court struck down a broader cancellation plan pushed by President Joe Biden.

The Education Department called the suit “a desperate attempt from right wing special interests to keep hundreds of thousands of borrowers in debt.”

It’s part of a wave of legal challenges Republicans have leveled at the Biden administration’s efforts to reduce or eliminate student debt for millions of Americans.

Under the one-time fix, past periods in forbearance were also counted as progress toward Public Service Loan Forgiveness, a program that offers cancellation after 10 years of payments while working in a government or nonprofit job.

Biden’s action was illegal, the lawsuit says, because it wasn’t authorized by Congress and didn’t go through a federal rulemaking process that invites public feedback.


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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These shitcunts are reveling in the idea of making people poor & miserable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

It was never a secret and yet the poor and miserable keep voting for them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

They just need to make student loans dischargeable in bankruptcy. High earners who can afford their student loans will be dismissed like any bankruptcy court applicant who makes enough money to pay their debts, and the people who are actually struggling will get relief at the penalty of 7 years very bad credit.
Bankruptcy works for every other kind of debt, it was written into the Constitution by the founding fathers, and it's the perfect system designed exactly for problems like the student loan crisis.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Non profits who want to keep under paying educated employees, suing to reverse PSLF awardees. So scummy it's painful.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The enemies of the people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Can students sue those conservatives?

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