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Also who's your pick for winner of the arbitrary 4-way american civil war? Personally I'm hoping for the West, but I'm worried Northeast might sneak victory in when nobody's looking
West has the economy and the defensive geography. It is impossible for them to lose.
the west will balkanize further thos.. it is to diverse .. the desert plateus , the Fjords and giant trees around seattle , california stealing all their water.. Theocracies versus technocracy.. also oregon , maybe somethig about oregon is also special.
I mean yeah the faction is fictional and unlikely but the question is based on if the factions were the above image. West has the strongest geography going for them.
But not as far as shipping. The great lakes facilitated a lot of expansion.
I'd actually argue against this. They have the west coast sure, but their territory is split down the middle by the largest mountain range in the US and deserts. It will be a massive pain in the ass trying to get supplies and troops from the west coast to the interior, especially since I don't think the west has air superiority in this hypothetical scenario.
E) Unless The West has control of the US's Pacific territories, which I don't see why they wouldn't strike out for independence in this situation.
E2) In a prospective conflict, I actually think the west would get pushed back to the rockies by the south/midwest and basically become a merchant republic based out of california with strong ties to China and everybody more or less leaving them alone because at that point it'd be more trouble than it's worth having to sail ships through Panama or whatever.
It's the mountains that I consider to be the thing that makes them so much more defensible than the other factions. They're the faction that is least defeatable at the least.
Is the interior particularly important in the event of a war? Big empty space. As long as what they need to maintain the war effort is placed in more defensive locations it's actually not important territory.
They're the faction that is least defeatable at the least.
This I totally agree with, at a certain point it would just be too much of a pain in the ass to deal with them, hence why I think they'll end up just being a neoliberal hellhole confined to the California valley.
Is the interior particularly important in the event of a war? Big empty space. As long as what they need to maintain the war effort is placed in more defensive locations it's actually not important territory.
Not really aside from fresh water (there is a separate water table east of the Rockies see image below), air bases, and nuclear silos. There's arable land as well but I don't think that's as important considering the breakup. The most important factor probably being the Nuke silos, and aquifer which will get more important as time goes on.
Aquifer and Climate maps of US
not to mention political legitmancy as the central power, control of the militarys assets and the big red button.
whoever could maintain a blockade of the others ports probably.
if I were running one of the breakaway nations, I would try to form a coalition with another one over mutual disdain for texas. decapitate it's leadership, demobilize it's law enforcement, and create a colony on it with displaced people from other areas. heavily arm them and direct them to land / resource / infrastructure grab everything.
with any luck, everybody will be so focused on that shit show, they won't notice that I have used all the gold to build a giant Colossus of myself that shoots flames and lightning bolts.
checkmate.
whoever could maintain a blockade of the others ports probably.
the fate of the midwest rests on whether canada can help us keep the st lawrence seaway open
The mississippi is a lost cause pretty much
decapitate it's leadership
Based
thry turned the US into the microsoft logo and it immediately broke
Midwest
Under that veil of Minnesota nice beats the heart of some of the most vicious and demonic creatures known to God
don't care so long as it ends in communism
Independent south
Ngmi
Colorado and Utah will end up becoming America's Afghanistan and Utah will become the Mormon Mujahedeen.
I just hope everyone has fun
Southerners may have a lot of guns, but they have no where to train for war except indoor gun ranges. Whereas western blue states have a ton of public land, but most of the people there absolutely despise guns despite wanting the police and military to arrest every republican
I mean, historically most civil wars didn’t involve civilians training ahead of time. But most countries that had civil wars in the modern day weren’t as rich and privileged as Americans. A modern day american civil war will look less like Yugolavia and more like the Roof Koreans in the LA Riots - that is, a bunch of assholes shooting each other because they lack the communication and proper training (despite their ebic skills in the korean war). The exception being the mall cops that actually have time and money to “train” in the woods all day with their militias.
Seeing that map reminds me of a post I read some time ago about a "libertararian" who moved from California to Texas to scape the "oppressive" state government to a land of free, just to find out there were no public parks where to camp, and that that was his favorite hobbie and now they "understood" why some government is needed and was thinking on going back to California.
Southerners may have a lot of guns, but they have no where to train for war except indoor gun ranges.
As if the problem is gun handling and not the fact the average chud couldn't run for 2 miles without having a heart attack. Seriously I would not expect the average American to go through a civil war scenario without clogging up hospitals with all sorts of heart problems and general consequences of an extremely sedentary lifestyle.
Maybe you saw the recent pictures of those old Ukrainian soldiers? People dunk on them looking like tired/out of shape but imo they are probably in better physical condition than like half of these chuds.
Well with the west and the south splitting most of the nuke supply and the Midwest being capable of thriving in nuclear winter, it's really anyone's game. The northeast is no longer the manufactory hub it once was. Ultimately though, I think the west is set up to take home the victory with critical support and materials from China. Can't really get that anywhere else too readily.
The Midwest would have quite a few nukes. North Dakota and Kansas holds a large fraction of them.
Plus the West would have most of it's critical infrastructure far away from the border. Much easier to protect your heavy industry when it's 1500 miles away from the fighting. The South and Midwest have relatively vulnerable infrastructure not far from their borders, easy distance to target without having to refuel and less time to intercept any missiles.
The South would try invading the Midwest, but end up dying from all the industrial carcinogens that Midwesterners have adapted to. Like the wildlife around Chernobyl.
Gonna sneak in and burn down the white house again while you are all fighting
Americans please explain to me why the midwest is called the midwest. It’s kinda in the middle, but it’s really not the west?? Why not call it the midnorth? Or northern mid?
From the perspective of an 18th century European colonist, that territory is the "middle" of a great expanse of land to the west.
midwest is expected to be expansionist as it needs to secure its in / export routes by taking New Orleans and securing the St Lorance river? (warm water ports)
The West. An alliance with China could be possible and supply lines to East Asia are critical. In addition there Pacific Fleet could blockade the Panama Canal and prevent any Chinese goods from getting to the other states in a reasonable amount of time. We also have a series of large mountain ranges that could slow down invasion heavily and plenty of oil, industry food and water. Plus the inevitable Capital in LA being really far away helps. The South is surrendering quickly and the Midwest becomes a grueling counterinsurgency campaign that claims tens of millions of lives but eventually ends in attrition from the Midwest due to the lack of trade and brutal Northern urban warfare.
china has no interest in "reassembeling" a Balkanized USA .
They definitely would if they could get the US as an ally
The west could hold the mountain passes and remain independent if they don't win the whole thing.
Texas is fucked after one of its biannual electrical crashes so they'll be in play for like six months tops and then be a burden for whoever allies with them. Eventually Mexico takes it back.
The south continues their Civil War losing streak. The villages in Florida look like a charnel house after 2 weeks.
The north east loses Maine to Canada and maybe loses the war but nobody wants to occupy it after.
inb4 the northeast becomes a collection of city-states? 🤔
Philly will be too busy bullying it's neighbors to become a regional power
Jersey City changes its name to Giorzzi and completes its Italofication.
Ireland invades and razes Boston to put an end to its shenanigans once and for all.
Ireland invades and razes Boston to put an end to its shenanigans once and for all.
Represent.
SOYBEANS AND CORN
Soybeanis and cornbeanis
Kaiserreich
Burgerreich
It’ll be less geopolitical and more like After the End where a bunch of american enclaves fight with cultists
our enemies will crumble under the might of Papa Khan Pritzker and the midwestern horde
Could see likely a coalition of the NE, which should probably include Maryland, Delaware, and DC, plus Midwest and West Coast minus the plains and mountain states. They'd then mop the floor.
I hope rather for a draw and balkanisation.
