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U.S. Vice President's remarks come amid allegations from Israel's critics that claims of sexual and gender-based violence were either fabricated or exaggerated in order to provide justification for its military response in Gaza

Speaking at an event dedicated to raising awareness on conflict-related sexual violence, including the airing of Sheryl Sandberg's "Screams Before Silence" documentary, "On October 7, Hamas committed horrific acts of sexual violence," Harris said.

Her remarks come amid steady criticism from Israel's critics on the left that claims of sexual and gender-based violence were either fabricated or exaggerated in order to provide justification for its military response in Gaza following October 7.

"In the days after October 7, I saw images of bloodied Israeli women abducted," she continued. "Hamas committed rape and gang rape at the Nova music festival, and women's bodies were found naked from the waist down, hands tied behind their back and shot in the head."

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

2 wrongs don't make a right. Even if Hamas committed such acts, it doesn't justify genocide or killing children or civilians at all. Israel is at least 3 steps up from completely unacceptable.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I can’t read the paywalled, story, but is that her point? Or is it just raising awareness For conflict related sexual violence?

I know many would use that logic to justify genocide, which is not right, but there’s many that will pretend like the sexual violence never happened or sweep it under the table.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Oh there's definitely people ignoring the sexual violence committed in Israeli prisons against Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Weird that she's very vocal about the acts supposedly committed by Hamas, but is staying completely silent about all the sexual assault being committed by the IDF against Palestinian women. Almost like she's a massive fucking hypocrite.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Lol ikr? Looking at her track record of mass incarceration(while attorney general), which disproportionately affected other POC like her, and yet she never batt an eye because it was more about career than actually helping her community.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't think it's fair to define her actions by her blackness, but, at the same time, the Dems very clearly want this bitch for 2028 (or earlier...) no matter what anyone says.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

UN report about sexual violence on October 7th, Haaretz isn't exactly the best source to use for this

TL;DR Although it doesn't in any way excuse the currently occurring genocide, and honestly I also wish she was as upset about 100 things from Israel's side that we are supporting instead of 1 thing from the Palestinian side that no one is supporting, she's not wrong.

"War crimes are wrong no matter who does them" shouldn't be a difficult moral dilemma

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Cop using bullshit to support mass violence, color me shocked

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I skipped the word Hamas and thought Kamala got caught committing heinous crimes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The Sheryl Sandberg "documentary" is a propaganda campaign to dehumanize Palestinians.

It is as factually grounded as an Alex Jones documentary. It contains completely debunked and already admitted proven lies. No evidence of rape on Oct7 has been found since as stated in the recent UN investigation.

Even the IDF has confirmed there are no photos or videos of Hamas raping anyone on October 7.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (14 children)

I wondered why you linked to screenshots instead of the actual report, so I found what I think is what you're linking to. Here's the context of your screenshot:

The Commission found indications that members of the military wing of Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups committed gender-based violence (GBV) in several locations in southern Israel on 7 October. These were not isolated incidents but perpetrated in similar ways in several locations and by multiple Palestinian perpetrators. The acts documented by the Commission reflected clear abuse of power by male perpetrators and a disregard for the special considerations and protection of women’s integrity and autonomy granted by international law.

Hamas military wing rejected all accusations that its forces committed sexual violence against Israeli women. However, the Commission documented cases indicative of sexual violence perpetrated against women and men in and around the Nova festival site, as well as the Nahal Oz military outpost and several kibbutzim, including Kfar Aza, Re’im and Nir Oz. It collected and preserved digital evidence, including images of victims’ bodies displaying indications of sexual violence, a pattern corroborated by independent testimonies from witnesses. Reliable witness accounts obtained by the Commission describe bodies that had been undressed, in some incidents with exposed genitals. The Commission received reports and verified digital evidence concerning the restraining of women, including hands and sometimes feet of women being bound, often behind the victims’ backs, prior to their abduction or killing. Additionally, the Commission made assessments based on the position of the body, for example images displaying legs spread or bent over, and signs of struggle or violence on the body, such as stab wounds, burns, lacerations and abrasions.

The Commission has reviewed testimonies obtained by journalists and the Israeli police concerning rape but has not been able to independently verify such allegations, due to a lack of access to victims, witnesses and crime sites and the obstruction of its investigations by the Israeli authorities. The Commission was unable to review the unedited version of such testimonies. For the same reasons, the Commission was also unable to verify reports of sexualized torture and genital mutilation. Additionally, the Commission found some specific allegations to be false, inaccurate or contradictory with other evidence or statements and discounted these from its assessment.

I also linked to a much more complete UN report elsewhere in this thread. I don't know how the two reports relate to each other though.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nice screenshots.

Is there something in the first report that you didn't show us?

the Commission documented cases indicative of sexual violence perpetrated against women and men in and around the Nova festival site, as well as the Nahal Oz military outpost and several kibbutzim, including Kfar Aza, Re’im and Nir Oz. It collected and preserved digital evidence, including images of victims’ bodies displaying indications of sexual violence, a pattern corroborated by independent testimonies from witnesses.

Huh.

Is there anything more in the second report?

Based on the information gathered by the mission team from multiple and independent sources, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the 7 October attacks

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