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tldr; just a lib complaining about direct action. This is the most baffling column from the NYT, surpassing all of Friedman's or Dowd's brain diarrheas

https://archive.is/hPWPv

Don’t take it personally, but I don’t want to go to your protest. This isn’t a commentary about your particular movement or about the anti-Israel rallies this past academic year. I don’t care how foolish or noble the cause. When it comes to gathering in large groups and yelling, you can count me out. I did try it once. My first and last protest was freshman year of college when some women I liked were organizing a pro-choice rally. The cause was solid, it seemed like a decent way to solidify the friendships and I enjoy using magic markers.

But standing on the campus green of our overwhelmingly liberal university brandishing a broken hanger struck me as not only futile but ridiculous. The only mind that was changed by that protest was mine — about participating in protests. After 40 minutes or so, I left to go to the bathroom. Later, I signed up to escort patients at a local abortion clinic. There are better ways, I realized, to effect change.

Temperamentally, I just wasn’t up to it. It’s not only that I don’t like standing outdoors in the sun for long periods or that I always need to pee. But I’d rather read about strikers in “Germinal” than march on a picket line. My full gratitude then, to The New York Times for giving me a get-out-of-jail-free card by forbidding your journalists from participating in political protests while encouraging us to report on them.

I’ve never been much of a tribalist or a joiner, and have no use for conformity of thought or dress. Unless it’s Halloween or a costume party, I don’t like playing dress-up. Nor do I want to be part of a group where people might think I accidentally left my pussy hat at home. When I see a bunch of white kids wearing kaffiyehs I can’t help wonder whatever happened to the whole anti-cultural appropriation thing. When someone drones on about “solidarity,” all I hear is, “Get in line.” When there’s no room for dissent from the dissent, there’s no room for me. Color me an anti-fan of performative politics, particularly if it means I’d be part of the show that features bigots posing as bleeding hearts. Plus, all that earnestness! It brings out my ironic and impish side, inclined to correct typos on signage or foment some kind of peripheral debate. Every time someone at one of those encampments cried out “Free Palestine” I’d be tempted to yell “From Hamas!” I’d surely get kicked out of the group that wants to kick other people out. They don’t want troublemakers.

Protests are about operating in unison and I find that creepy. Back in the early 90s, I visited college friends in Washington, D.C. It happened to be the Fourth of July and so we headed to the National Mall to celebrate. I was stunned to find people passionately yelling en masse, “U.S.A.! U.S.A.!” What, I wondered, was the alternative? Who’s the other team?

I realize we live in a country born of protest and my attitude may seem vaguely un-American. Watching the rabble-rousers on HBO’s “John Adams” during Covid lockdown, my first grumbly thought was, “Stop whining and pay your taxes!” Reading about the Whiskey Rebellion made me think of drunken MAGA types sloganeering at a Trump rally about the glory of firearms. (I do make a sentimental exception for revolutions set to music, especially when French.) Speaking of history, I can’t say I’d relish hollering alongside people who’ve only studied it on TikTok. But those of us who read about it in, say, books usually come to understand that even factual history is complicated, nuanced and full of boring and endless repetition.

Protests, those books remind us, can end poorly. In 2020, when people were posting black squares on Instagram to show their antiracist cred, I insisted that we watch “To Live” for family movie night. Zhang Yimou’s depiction of the Cultural Revolution provides a terrifying warning to those who think offering children a bullhorn is a good idea. Still, plenty of Boomers view protest through a nostalgic filter. Sure, there was some passionate shouting on the quad about wiping out Jews, they’ll say, but even the righteous antiwar movement had its Hanoi Janes and the Weather Underground. Is painting a Hamas symbol on a Jews’s door worse than settler-colonial oppression? But no matter the context and whether it comes from the right or the left, antisemitism is a bad look.

Maybe the protesters could use a moment of peace and reflection. A chance to take a deep breath and open their minds. Picture, if you will, a meditative room filled with floor pillows, breathwork exercises and a small but well-curated bookshelf in the corner. Perhaps now that we’ve gathered here all kumbaya-like, we can even offer a word for the people who look at the bawlers, the get-ups, the outrage and the zealotry and say to themselves, “No, thank you.” Here’s to the people who doth protest not

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 months ago (5 children)

When I see a bunch of white kids wearing kaffiyehs I can’t help wonder whatever happened to the whole anti-cultural appropriation thing. When someone drones on about “solidarity,” all I hear is, “Get in line.” When there’s no room for dissent from the dissent, there’s no room for me. Color me an anti-fan of performative politics, particularly if it means I’d be part of the show that features bigots posing as bleeding hearts. Plus, all that earnestness! It brings out my ironic and impish side, inclined to correct typos on signage or foment some kind of peripheral debate. Every time someone at one of those encampments cried out “Free Palestine” I’d be tempted to yell “From Hamas!” I’d surely get kicked out of the group that wants to kick other people out. They don’t want troublemakers

Someone could go through this and pick this shit pile apart. But all I can say is: to gutless, spineless, bloodless liberals that think their nuance is anything but the blinders they wear to ignore the charnel house they built and live in, were-gonna-kill-you

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah hearing this makes me seethe. There is nothing "performative" about sacrificing your life, self-immolate in front of Israel embassy while yelling "Free Palestine" and calling out the ruling class with your dying words. RIP comrade Aaron.

fidel-salute-big

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago

bushnell Death to America

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

A good man gone too soon

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When I see a bunch of white kids wearing kaffiyehs I can’t help wonder whatever happened to the whole anti-cultural appropriation thing

they literally want us to wear the keffiyehs, we're not appopriating them they are sharing them with us

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago

She would probably unironically share "Israeli" recipes flat-out stolen from Palestinians too

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

The whole anti-cultural appropriation thing you say? liberalism

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Plus, all that earnestness! It brings out my ironic and impish side, inclined to correct typos on signage or foment some kind of peripheral debate. Every time someone at one of those encampments cried out “Free Palestine” I’d be tempted to yell “From Hamas!” I’d surely get kicked out of the group that wants to kick other people out. They don’t want troublemakers

4chan particles.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago

In 2020, when people were posting black squares on Instagram to show their antiracist cred, I insisted that we watch “To Live” for family movie night. Zhang Yimou’s depiction of the Cultural Revolution provides a terrifying warning to those who think offering children a bullhorn is a good idea.

SHUT THE FUCK UP matt-jokerfied

FUCKING RICH WHITE SUBURBAN PIECE OF SHIT

oh wait she’s also the NYT’s head transphobe too lmao fucking retire already asshole

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When I see a bunch of white kids wearing kaffiyehs I can’t help wonder whatever happened to the whole anti-cultural appropriation thing.

White liberalism is still clinging on to this lol

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago

Keffiyehs were cool in '94 and they are still cool in 2024

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (2 children)

hey Palestine protesters, have you heard about meditation?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm astral projecting and challenging netanyahu to a psychic duel

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Do NOT face Allah alone when Astral projecting

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I strongly recommend siding with Allah against Netanyahu, he gives you big psychic boons for doing so

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll be over here having brunch thank you

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Writer's bio:

I’m interested in how ideas spread throughout culture and society and in how they evolve. I’ve written about everything from literature to theater, Nikki Haley to Joe Biden, the Cultural Revolution to Colleen Hoover, “American Dirt” to Robert Caro, cashless retail to gun control. I write from the perspective of a lifelong liberal. It’s from this place that I often write about illiberal progressive orthodoxies, in particular around identity, language, morality, gender ideology, class and free speech.

Most recently, I was the editor of The New York Times Book Review, but I’ve been working since I was 14, and my varied experiences — as a cashier in a supermarket and a sales clerk in retail, a waitress in New York, a wine server in French Catalonia, a librarian and high school teacher in Chiang Mai, Thailand, an ice cream scooper in Paris, a caterer in college — informs everything I do. I studied history at Brown University.

She's a gigakaren coasting on privilege all her life. It is an absolute parody.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I’m interested in how ideas spread

important-high-level-ideas iDeAs

I write from the perspective of a lifelong liberal.

shocked-pikachu

 I often write about illiberal progressive orthodoxies

jesse-wtf oh, you mean you're literally just important-high-level-ideas but from a higher social class, so you get to to have a make work job for failchildren at the NY Times.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

You see, I am a liberal in terms of I have money, property, and connections so I should never have sacrifice anything for anybody else's liberation. You know a 'classical liberal'.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Protests, those books remind us, can end poorly. In 2020, when people were posting black squares on Instagram to show their antiracist cred, I insisted that we watch “To Live” for family movie night.

I’m sure her kids really loved getting veto’d out of Frozen for that.

Zhang Yimou’s depiction of the Cultural Revolution provides a terrifying warning to those who think offering children a bullhorn is a good idea.

Yea, reducing the Cultural Revolution down to “the kids didn’t know their place,” very nuanced, big brained take. I’m sure she’s just as critical of the “student-led protests” in Hong Kong because, you know, the youth can’t be trusted.

And, surprise surprise, this is the same columnist who penned a screed about how the anti-choice right is just as damaging to women as the transgender activists on the left.

EDIT: I just realized, she made her kids watch a movie so they’d learn the lesson of, kids can’t be trusted to have any power or responsibility because they’ll 1984 everything? JFC what a way to implicitly tell your kids you think they’re untrustworthy little shits.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When someone drones on about “solidarity,” all I hear is, “Get in line.”

What a baby-brain. It's cool that you want me to stand up to genocide, but please consider how special and individual I am before you talk to me.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

You don't understand, she lives in capitalist USA where you don't have legal and social obligations.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Speaking of history, I can’t say I’d relish hollering alongside people who’ve only studied it on TikTok.

Never seen a more perfect example of the kind of smug self-superior liberal in my life

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

maybe-later-kiddo Don't talk to me about history until you've read your 1500 pages of propaganda

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I realize we live in a country born of protest and my attitude may seem vaguely un-American. Watching the rabble-rousers on HBO’s “John Adams” during Covid lockdown, my first grumbly thought was, “Stop whining and pay your taxes!”

Loyalist reactionary confirmed very-intelligent

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

These kids learn all their history from tiktok

also

I learned all my history from Paul Giamatti

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

It’s prestige history

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago

The "anti-conformity" dork wanting all the protestors to ~~get in line~~ come together in a quiet room with pillows and meditate. lmfaooooo

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago

I enjoy using magic markers

Hard to say which she has been huffing more of, her markers or her farts. It's like someone plugged the smuglord emoji into an LLM prompt

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I dont want to protest. Just give me an Ak-47 and cat ears

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don’t want to go to your protest. This isn’t a commentary about your particular movement or about the anti-Israel rallies this past academic year.

doubt

edit: LMAO SHE'S THE BEDBUG'S EX AHAHAHAHAHA

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago

Every time someone at one of those encampments cried out “Free Palestine” I’d be tempted to yell “From Hamas!” I’d surely get kicked out of the group that wants to kick other people out. They don’t want troublemakers.

Calling yourself a troublemaker for being tempted to regurgitate genocide talking points at a protest.

Really brave! improve-society illegal-to-say

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

Liberals and their armchairs, name a more iconic duo.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

Christ alive, what an insufferable piece of shit.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago

Zionist

Opinion disregarded

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

Based direct action new york crimes don't sit on lawns with magic markers, do redacted-1redacted-2 using cheap redacted-1redacted-2 in redacted-1redacted-2

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't want to protest, I want a helmet an a red headband

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Pairs well w a Molotov cocktail 🍾

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In 2020, when people were posting black squares on Instagram to show their antiracist cred, I insisted that we watch “To Live” for family movie night. Zhang Yimou’s depiction of the Cultural Revolution provides a terrifying warning to those who think offering children a bullhorn is a good idea.

hey quick question what is wrong with you

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Communism is when young people are allowed to share their political opinions.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

your typical article to get the libs to be like "actually protests are kinda shit and not my vibe who even goes to these things?"

but further the most radicalizing thing you can do is go to a protest that is relatively mild and see the cops abuse protestors and look at you like you are the enemy or even use state violence against you. it is one thing to think that the state is not your friend and that officer friendly would arrest you if he could but to experience it firsthand for having the audacity to speak out is another very internalizing thing altogether. it shatters the liberal illusion of freedom and democracy

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

this is the best kind of newspaper opinion piece: the one where a reprehensible shithead stands up proud and says "hey! i suck!"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

She's right to piss her pants about the cultural revolution. She clearly deserves to die in a struggle session

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I agree "DON'T COME AT ME WITH NO PETITION, BRING ME AMMUNITION"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I wonder what she would think about the protesters who pushed the right for women to vote, to work, to be included in society?

How obtuse do you have to be to not recognise you’re the direct beneficiary of massive protest movements?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I feel like back then she would still have been a token who would speak against women's suffrage.

There's always room for that type of person. Although I suppose I don't know whether that was a thing back then or if they were actually so misogynistic that they wouldn't let women write in newspapers.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

I don’t like protests either because nothing ever gets achieved and the hype dies down almost immediately after it’s over. But this is just a screed of a white woman who’s running late for brunch

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

In another life this person is a 14 year old boy playing counterstrike who thinks saying "I'm not racist I hate everyone equally" is the pinnacle of wit.

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