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[–] [email protected] 96 points 2 months ago

Because if there's one takeaway from Lincoln's presidency, it's that it's always worthwhile to do and say heinous things to try to appease the chuds. They will appreciate your consideration and compromise and definitely not start a war and just assassinate you anyway

[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It’s really smart because if there is one thing I know about Lincoln’s efforts in not being an abolitionist, it’s that it prevented a civil war from happening.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Like the whole point of Lincoln was that he realized he was fucking wrong, and that he needed to abolish slavery to preserve the union, and if he hadn't done this we would remember him as one of the worst presidents in history from our side of the Mason Dixon line.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He also learned by trying the lib way at first, by holding to an obsession with respecting the "consent of property holders" that he got from his political hero, the slave-holding liberal gradualist Henry Clay. And the slave owners in the border states spat in his face everywhere he tried voluntary compensated emancipation, including in Biden's home state of Delaware. After that the gloves came off.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

And the right wingers really appreciated his nuanced take and respected the fact that he was being really generous in his compromises and didn't blow his brains all over the audience of a play.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (2 children)

the Founders’ vision of containing slavery for the purpose of eventually extinguishing it

Categorically not the founders vision re slavery

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

"We have to keep doing slavery so that at some point in the future we can stop it" is dems current argument for private health insurance, abortion rights, climate change and every conceivable version of political reform.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

George Washington moving his slaves out of Pennsylvania every six months to avoid having to emancipate them after the state ruled enslaved people must be freed after six months of living in the state, and later abusing his presidential powers to start a manhunt for one of his escaped slaves: joker-amerikkklap

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago

john-brown did nothing wrong

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hell of an example to give of resisting "radicals". And then libs wonder why Democrats are struggling to maintain the black vote.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Libs don't wonder that they just tell themselves it's because black people are stupid and ungrateful.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

Our noble free press

Their barbaric propagandists

us-foreign-policy

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (4 children)

One thing I always like to mention about Lincoln in this context: he was really into the idea of deporting all black people to Africa. It was his lodestar - it apparently was one thing he consistently believed in during the length of his political career.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Imagine being from the south and being more racist than Lincoln.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this a popular opinion among a lot of abolitionist too? There was a general feeling that white people could never get over their racism so the only way for the black community to thrive was to send them somewhere away from whites where they could form their own nation. I think the whole "forty acres and a mule" thing came from General Sherman having a conversation with a black pastor who had become the de-facto leader of a small army worth of runaway slaves and asking him if his community would prefer living among the whites or being given a region of land to form their own community and apparently the chose the latter.

This isn't me defending Lincoln, dude was no abolitionist, but more trying to understand the historical context in which that opinion of him formed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

When you're greatest president had the same solution to the institute of slavery as Patrick Star did for saving Bikini Bottom.

What if we just took the problem and put it somewhere else.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

"Lincoln distanced himself from the radicals in his party by making it clear he was an explicit white supremacist."

Uhhhh seems like that "radical fringe" was the only people on the right side of history. Wonder if that's gonna turn into any kind of trend.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

this isn't coherent even within the liberal worldview. it feels like some kind of break is coming

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Would you rather be the slave on a plantation or a slave to Disney wokeism!?!?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I think it's more "would you rather be a serf on my turf or a slave to Disney wokeism??!? Obvious it's better to be a serf than a slave, you're a smart fella that's why you read Wapo!"

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If that peckerwood-assed segregationist wants to "separate himself from the far left", then neither him, nor any of his ghoul-assed plantation-hand supporters get to harangue me for refusing to vote for that old cracker.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Very condescending advice. "Get more racist" is American politics 101

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

The evergreen Dril tweet about the racism dial

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

hillgasm billdawg whywhywhywhywhy open-biden We Gotta Get More Racist!!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wapo be like "heres how we can push Biden left!"

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

if we push him right on earth, he'll be on the left in the hereafter! it's a solid plan!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

With that kind of logic getting our free pie in the sky from God's guaranteed!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

does it not say in the bible "So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."?

with modern interpretation, this clearly means that the right shall be left, and the left right.

so not only is biden vindicated, but redfash commie scum is confirmed!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

I want to make a magacom joke but I think you already did it with subtlety

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

I can think of exactly one thing Brandon should do like Lincoln. Bezos too, actually

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

More like Jeff Bozos, amirite?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

MFW Biden is considered an ultra in Amerika.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's the overton window in the usa for you. It's been pushed right and americans are embracing their hidden hitler particle.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

There's a lot of boomer blue dogs who are just as if not more racist than your average republican but they don't vote R because of higher taxes. My dad is a prime example of this so I'm not surprised.