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And we shouldn't allow this concept to go unchallenged here on Lemmy.

Commenting on an active post is not brigading

Posting a link to something is not brigading

Commenting on something you were linked to is not brigading

The only thing that might be brigading, but isn't because it isn't a real thing, is someone explicitly going, "Hey everyone, go here and harass this person"

It's all fine and good that we have some new rules to keep the peace with other instances but we must fight against reddit-logo brainworms

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In retrospect, it's funny how the liberals on lemmy.ml were haughtily saying "This may have been a tankie space once, but we will overwhelm them eventually and make it clear that they aren't welcome here" and then Hexbear comes in and they shit themselves.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they thought the reddit wave would be bigger but it turns out redditors like feeling smug more than actually leaving the corporate walled garden. so they aren't thaaat big and a good % of those who did come here are at least vaguely leftist. That plus hexbear=no more unchallenged "ebil seeseepee" type circlejerks

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

we have literally spent hours talking about thought terminating cliches, ready to fight them

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's extremely weird. Like I'm just commenting on what appears on my all page, how is that brigading? It's literally a feature of the website.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Liberals are used to games with rigged rules ("""International Rules Based Order"""🙄) and when the playing field is level it feels to them like everyone else is suddenly cheating

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's how the most of the internet works. The site admins of whatever community impose hegemonic rules about acceptable discourse and then purge everything outside that. It's how we work, it's just that we got rid of all the bigots and shitheads. In a normal community a landlord runs the instance, bans everyone who wants to shoot landlords, and tolerates bigots as long as they don't literally say the N word too many times in a row. Here the hegemony is flipped on it's head - Any kind of bigotry gets you banned fast, and you can actually name names when talking about why society sucks without having to pretend this isn't a knife fight to the death.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Counterpoint: I'm a huge baby.

Didn't think of that one, did ya, pinko!?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait till the realization sinks in that this is just the normal, organic amount of engagement they get from us because we're by far the most active lemmy instance

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People have been saying for years "soon, they will stop soon"

And I just say See you in 3 more years, let us know what you think

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

As with all internet spaces, eventually Hexbear will grow old and die. And hopefully like a half a dozen even worse communities will grow from the corpse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I AM BRIGADING YOU RIGHT NOW BUCKO. I AM THE ONE MAN BRIGADE

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

STAHP MODS PLS

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Literally every dog pile I have seen has been some nerd talking shit, a chapo or 2 posting in good faith, the nerd says something extra stupid... nerd gets dog piled.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you see, when I call you a Chinese bot, or fake Russian names I'm being a very reasonable discussion partner

when you call me out for being a weird racist it's brigading, trolling, 4chan, and the type of behavior that needs to be defederated from

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Death to Russia = non-political

Death to NATO = I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS TYPE OF COMMENT

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

also weird that one is a country full of people and the other is an aggressive military alliance, If one died a whole lot of normal people would die, plus some war criminals

if Nato died it'd just be dead war criminals

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

dead war criminals

Ahem, I believe you mean "People of NATO"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Usually its 2-3 chapos calling someone a dipshit lib for posting a bad take, and then someone comes along with an nice effortpost an hour or so later.

Like, i approve of it, people get too used to not being called a dipshit. But newgangs first posters on the scene usually come in hot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems to me that instance has a very evident and festering scared-fash problem, which is incredibly strange for what is supposed to be a pro-trans instance.

They're being tone policed down to capitalist-woke levels, but they're still spreading the same hateful talking points that prevents the free expression that the admin team supposedly desires.

This is my first time seeing it first hand but it's so obvious and transparent that their liberal well intentioned inclusiveness has already backfired horrifically. When hexbear users confront these tone-adjusted fascists and question their hateful anti-left stance (something the mods and admin team should be doing but lack the spine) they cry and demand defed because their views absolutely can not stand up to any sort of serious analysis.

I will say I would not have seen this without federation. It genuinely makes me appreciate the amazing community thats been cultivated here because it's not easy to challenge, and remove, a polite abuser standing next to you.

If anyone is communicating with their admin team, I think they should be told to wake up because it will only get worse before their community is co-opted and they're the ones being "tolerated." I am being constantly reminded of this https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g?t=677

The fact that calling it out plays in to the fascists hands is pretty depressing too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit, the site that's designed to have as many eyes as possible look at as wide a variety of posts as possible to bring about engagement has rules against the wrong people engaging.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rule #1: do not be a communist

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The thing that annoys me is the widespread misconception among the lib instances that Hexbear users are just out there spamming PPB on every other instance, when in reality it's much more common that someone starts calling us hate speech spewing Russian bots or whatever and people start responding to that. Oh no, the consequences of my actions angery

Anothe thing that happens frequently is someone posts something well-crafted in good faith and then a lib responds ”I'm not reading that Kremlin/Chinese propaganda, troll!”, so who are the ones actually not interested in arguing here?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well yeah, but it's okay when people call us bots because we're genocide denying turbo tankies. When we take offense we are in the wrong. This is called "Civility".

It's like "Talking back" that adults pull on children. Kids can't figure out what they did wrong because they didn't do anything wrong. Their crime is existing. Our crime is being outside the Overton Window. Nothing we can do will ever be acceptable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's like "Talking back" that adults pull on children.

!!! I had somehow forgotten about this phrase, even though it was my most frequent infraction and has shaped all of my dealings with children. It still baffles and hurts me that so many adults would rather get mad at kids for having feelings, opinions, and questions than talk to them like they're actual people.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It implies there are outside agitators coming in to disrupt a community.

But like.

The only "rule" for joining a community is to come inside. As soon as they post, they're not outside anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

outside agitators

not coincidentally, a phrase with a long history of anticommunism and reactionary dismissal of working class concerns

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only "rule" for joining a community is to come inside. 

hyperflush

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Volcel police.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My favorite thing is when they accuse hexbear of downvote brigading. I've seen it a couple times.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Someone in one of the federation threads posted a screenshot of their comments with negative karma as proof that they were downvoted for comments on Hexbear.

No bro, you could only have downvotes from other federated users, guess your take was that trash.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I like when they accuse us of calling them specific insults, and then I can't tell what ones because it's blocked by the filter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I honestly forgot the fediverse has downvotes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (12 children)

As usual, liberals just use different words when they like some vs. when they don't. When they don't like it? Brigading! When they do? Just raising concerns, I hate those red fash tankies.

PS they are envious of our knack for a self-organized united front.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Folks really haven't grasped that federation means it's not "your community" anymore, you're basically a subreddit now, with all the horrors that entails.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The liberals are welcome to come in here and "brigade" us as well. We won't complain. We'll just dunk.

And probably get accused of brigading our own threads or something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're really crushing this speed run.

"Were creating a decentralized space where different opinions and people can all interact with each other to whatever extent the users want"

"Hey why are there people here saying that Biden isn't the savior of the working class, clearly this is harassment"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It vibes strongly with the "outside agitator" discourse that always shows up during mass protests. "Surely our wonderful posters would never dunk on me, it must be outsiders coming in to persecute me!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's 1865 and "outside Agitators" are riling up minorities

It's 1965 and "outside agitators" are riling up minorities

It's 1991 and "outside agitators" are riling up minorities

It's 2020 and "outside agitators" are riling up minorities

I tire of these Democrats. I tire of their dissembling

manhattan

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Brigading is when leftists are the most active posters and the more terminally online they are the more brigading it is.

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