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soypoint-1 DAE we're living in 1984?soypoint-2

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Why do people act like 1984 was anything other than vibes based fiction?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

it's funny because orwell was trying to throw shade on the USSR and only succeeded in describing england

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i remember the half-truth going around when I was a teenager and first encountering this book, that orwell was actually writing about a system he himself was part of

it literally took until this thread for me to realise I still had never addressed that falsehood, like of course orwell didn't actually live in the USSR, but i bet most people (if asked) will still believe that to be the case - that 1984 is orwell criticising a system he previously supported/was a part of, and not a piece of fiction spun out of whole cloth

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

that 1984 is orwell criticising a system he previously supported/was a part of

Technically, I guess this is true if you interpret it as being a critique of ukkk. IIRC, there's nothing in the book indicating that Oceania is supposed to be a communist country, except maybe "Ingsoc", but you can easily dismiss that by saying the Nazis called themselves socialists too.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Yeah 1984 is a lot of things, but I never took it as anticommunist.

The anticommunist one is Animal farm.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

They don't, their whole worldview is vibes based so it's perfectly coherent

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Because anti-communism is a profitable business where you can just lie and make bank. That North Korean “defector” and all the articles written about China are examples.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

I think I "studied" it 3 times in the Australian high school system (and Animal Farm)

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i never like to attack orwell for being a cop, a snitch and a r*pist, but instead focus on the fact that the loser worked for the BBC and ASSUMED that the USSR would be worse and wrote a whole-ass book about his daydreaming.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

working at the department of lies and propaganda sure feels like working for stalin's department of propaganda which i imagine is just like my actual job, which is evil, and therefore stalin and the whole soviet union is evil

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

deeply unserious person

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (3 children)

God forbid people have fun.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

The Taliban has entered the chat

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let people enjoy things (but unironically)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Orwell probably got bullied in grade school by a football stud

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

George Orwell was a resentful skinnyfat redditor.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Jorjor Well

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean I am sure this was at least a novel observation at the time that admirably encouraged a less information rich society to think and learn more, but nowadays, and likely even back then, this complaint could serve as a snooty way for effette educated men to channel their lingering resentment toward having been excluded or bullied by the working class/popular kids at their secondary schools. It's a great line of self fellating cope for people bitter that they can't vibe or know the haps.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Someone blew my mind when they pointed out that Orwell was just writing what he knew, which was living in Britain.