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I’ve been having a number of conversations on Hexchan recently trying to make sense of their politics. The most common instance of their hateful hypocrisy I’ve encountered is this constant assurance that they support trans people while immediately attacking and dog piling and trans people who point out that the situation would be much worse under Trump.

The hexchanners who aren’t actively Russian trolls seem to be little more than useful idiots for conservatives, minimizing the damage they do to vulnerable populations and engaging in high school level pettiness and hate.

https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/1879291

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Throwback to when Hillary supporters accused Bernie voters of switching to Trump in the general, and when they ran the numbers, finding that Bernie primary voters had one of the highest party loyalty rates, and that an alarming number of Hillary primary voters backed McCain in the general in '08.

Edit: Wait, this is the comment I make that ratios the OP and becomes my most upvoted comment of all time? How does that make sense?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

To be fair '08 was her turn planet-hillary

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All these anti trans laws are already happening under DaBiden but yeah flattened-bernie vote maybe-later-kiddo most important harm reduction of our lifetimes. maybe-later-honey

let's keep doing the same porky-happy thicc-trump biden-troll thing over and over wall-talk

[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 year ago (6 children)

All these anti trans laws are already happening under DaBiden

The best summary looks to me like:

  • State-level Republicans are aggressively passing anti-trans bills
  • State-level Democrats are occasionally passing trans protection bills
  • National-level Republicans are banging the table for anti-trans bills
  • National-level Democrats (collectively, at least) are unable/unwilling to pass national trans protection legislation
  • A rabidly reactionary judiciary (certainly at the federal level) is eroding protections that exist, and salivating at the prospect of more damage; Democrats have no answer to this
  • Rank-and-file Republicans range from making attack helicopter jokes to genocidal jokes
  • Rank-and-file Democrats range from making attack helicopter jokes to doing meaningful work supporting trans people

You could say much the same for abortion, too.

There are some differences, but not nearly enough, and it's easy to see how one person can look at this and say Dems are obviously better (focusing on state stuff, rank-and-file attitudes, proposed national legislation) while another can look at this and say whatever Dems are doing (focusing mostly on national politics and losing the judiciary) is not nearly enough.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (3 children)

i would just order the military extrajudicially execute transphobes with drone strikes, because i was legally authorized to drone strike US citizens that are part of terrorist movements shrug-outta-hecks

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"BUT BIDEN CAN'T JUST MURDER THE SUPREME COURTERINOO!"

rage-cry

Why? Why not? No one gave a shit when Obama was hunting down and murdering American children, why do you care when it's a bunch of crusty old fascists?

"BIDEN CAN'T JUST BLACK BAG MANCHIN AND SHOW HIM LIVE FEED OF HIS DAUGHTER'S CAR FROM A PREDATOR DRONE!>!!>!!"

Why not? He can drop hellfire missiles on weddings and ambulances, slaughter hundreds of thousands of civilians in Yemen, and god knows what other atrocities, but one pharma crook is off limits? Why?

We're going to vote Blue in '24, and Blue isn't going to do shit. The Democrats have always had options.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a good bit, but presenting "drone strike the Supreme Court" as a legitimate option is silly.

If you want a take along those lines but realistic, ask libs why Biden hasn't nationalized the Texas National Guard and torn down the horrific shit we're doing at the border.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

It's a bit hyperbolic, sure, but he could easily pack the court, and if Roberts refused to swear in new justices, he could have him arrested. Obama should have done something similar with Garland: when McConnell refused to have a hearing, he should have given a speech about the Senate failing to complete its duties, ordered Roberts to swear Garland in, and then arrested Roberts if he protested the move (along with any other justices who tried to be stubborn). The president has men with guns, and SCOTUS does not, full stop.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago

Every Republican nominee is going to be a knock-off Trump, and every Democratic nominee is going to be a knock-off Obama.

That's just how it's gonna be from here on out.

[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I sure as shit don't feel any more safe than when Trump was in office, almost like there's a larger societal political thing going on that's not contingent on one person. Thanks to Biden for...

checks notes

saying he supports us.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, Biden promised access to health care under certain circumstances. What more do you want, you Trump-lover?

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

its almost like each of these presidents makes decisions based on material conditions to best serve the needs of the owning class and not due to whatever lies they put out to get elected

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By not voting for Biden, I voted for Trump (I am not a US citizen).

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 year ago

Hexchan

Drumpf

same-picture

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Why do people act like they need to "make sense of our politics?" We're open with our politics and we never shut up about it lol.

We aren't hiding anything about us being communists, anarchists, and other socialists. As much as we have divergent view points in this non-sectarian space, we're pretty cohesive and coherent on the broad strokes.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)
'ate capitalism
'ate NATO
'ate the libs
'ate the chuds

luv communism
luv trains
luv me global proletariat
luv me trans comrades

Simple as
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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.

marx-war

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

My politics is that I'm coming for your treats. Since criticism is often seen as a direct threat against treat supply, I may as well confiscate them. xibe-check

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (11 children)

They're liberals and can't conceive that we're genuine. They interpret all leftist politics as childish or a trick.

All liberals believe liberalism is simply the natural, logical final step of development. They see it as a fundamental truth like gravity. Anyone not subscribing to liberalism must either be confused or an active agent of misinformation.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the most terminal case of America brain I've ever seen. Complete myopic focus on American domestic issues as the sole criteria for politics.

I'm unironically and genuinely happy for trans Americans that Biden and the Dems have treated them better than Trump. However, that can't be viewed in isolation of the fact that Biden and the dems are hellbent on ratcheting political tensions with China far higher than with Trump and his trade war. Add to that the unrelenting Dem-led brinksmanship and escalation over Ukraine (which can be traced back to the Maidan Coup which happened on Obama's watch).

Nobody is denying that Trump did all sorts of awful shit when he was in power, but Americans need to at least acknowledge that he wasn't constantly trying to provoke shooting wars with two nuclear great powers at the same time.

Nobody on the left should support Trump but you at least have to recognize that Blue Man is somehow being more of a bloodthirsty warmonger than the evil fascist Red Man you hate so much.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Americans need to at least acknowledge that he wasn't constantly trying to provoke shooting wars with two nuclear great powers at the same time.

That's only because Iran and Palestine aren't nuclear powers. Go look up Trump's policy towards them, you may learn a thing or two.

Trump was also at least as hawkish on eastward NATO expansion and escalating the conflict with Russia to open war with an Amerikan proxy as any other US president in the last 30 years. He broke disarmament treaties, had the Donbass shelled by Ukrainian nazis, moved troops eastwards from Germany to Poland. Let's not even get started on the 2% goal for NATO funding that popped up under Trump and has never gone away. Or how he kicked off a trade war with China. Or the travel ban for the Chinese. How gullible can you be?

I'm sick and tired of a way too vocal minority on this site pretending that Trump is "at least better on foreign policy than the Dems" because you like his aesthetics better than Biden's. First of all, you're doing a liberalism. Secondly, you're doing a lesser evilism. FUCK THAT. Thirdly, you're ignoring that his unilateralism, just like Dubya's before him, isn't actual isolationism, let alone anti-imperialism, but simply works as part of a greater good cop bad cop scheme with the dems in how they treat AmeriKKKas allies abroad. The GOP shits on our governments openly to apply pressure, then after the next electoral circus show the Dems swoop in to "mend relations" again, every good little lib here in Europe loves the USA again (and then the Dems are free to blow up one of our pipelines). You cannot vote your way out of the genocidal foreign policy of the USA. It is bipartisan consensus and you're simply falling for the RepubliKKKan ruse that gives you the illusion of "some amount of choice" on this matter.

Let's not even get me started on your "i support not genociding trans people BUT" reasoning up there. I have a really hard time not to start screaming at you rn, what the actual fuck am i reading there?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm sick and tired of a way too vocal minority on this site pretending that Trump is "at least better on foreign policy than the Dems"

Yeah, this is one of the worst takes I see frequently on here. I think it's a mix of terminally-online contrarianism and anti-lib contrarianism. It's trolling libs with (generously) an intent to have them consider how close both parties are on foreign policy. But they mostly miss that point, because no one gets subtext and we're staking out a bad position ourselves, so it comes across as uninformed or confusing (do these communists support Trump??).

The good things Trump did (detente with the DPRK, attempted Syria withdrawal) are due to dumb luck and are easily undermined by NatSec ghouls/subsequent administrations. The they are offset, at least, by the bad things he did (a complete 180 on Iran, taking us to the brink of war multiple times), which were also due to dumb luck, but which are much harder to undo.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Desperetly trying to make 'hexchan' a thing

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

and 6chan is right there, but it would take another level of abstraction and libs cannot clear that hurdle

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago

These libs are always talking about us claiming to support trans people, or using this as a shield, etc. like we aren't trans. Their worldview can't account for the fact that a huge amount of us are trans, and so they refuse to recognize reality. Like I think we should send transphobes to gulags, but in the lib mind this means I support Trump, because the only possible two positions are loving Trump and loving Biden.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My care for the differences between awful Genocidal person A and awful Genocidal person B is not great. It's high enough that I'll vote to try do some harm reduction, but it is barely a conversation worth having right now.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's high enough that I'll :vote: to try do some harm reduction

:LIB:

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The actual harm reduction is [REDACTED] or organising an underground railroad to asylum states and from there to at least not actively trans exterminatory jurisdictions abroad, if the letter's possible at all (most nations will refuse to aknowledge that human rights abuses worse enough to grant refugee status are happening in the US, even though that's already the case in Florida, Texas or Tennessee). Doesn't mean that the genocide will not massively accelerate under Trump, and if you are not ware of this you have no meaningful place in this conversation and should just stfu about things that your cis shit ass can comfortably ignore. If you think the person you're replying to is a LIB, you better be prepared to also put your life on the line once push comes to shove or you're actually worse than him. And i mean that "put your life on the line" part literally, because that's what we're talking about here. I'm not saying you aren't, i can't judge if you're willing to fight back or to smuggle trans people out of states that will make their existence flat-out illegal, i'm obviously not asking you to fedpost here, but if you demand of my siblings in the US that they get exterminated merely because you have Biden Derangement Syndrome and not because you understand the alternatives to electoralism and what's at stake here, then go fuck yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Americans think the world resolves around them. NOT EVERYONE IS AN AMERICAN stop-posting-amogus

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not...hexchan! They hurt my feelings, they have to be tRumpist Fascists! wojak-nooo

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

But... Hex-chan...

speech-r

Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  bottom-speak

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

/c/anime I hereby request a hex-chan mascot

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Suddenly I hate Mondays

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago

trump would be a distant memory and his political project would have imploded in 2016 if not for the massive support he receives daily from... online fake leftists.

since the world is ruled entirely by a High Court of Ideas in the Mind Palace of America, when these FAKE leftists shit on biden with their memes, it's the same as sponsoring state violence against minorities. actually it's worse.

biden-troll
Biden-Harris 2024:
Everything Else
Is Literally A Pogrom, JACK

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Russian trolls

useful idiots

minimizing the damage they do to vulnerable populations

radlib democrat NPC dialog lol

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago

hex c-c-chan bbaka hyperflush

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The hexchanners who aren’t actively Russian trolls

How do you libs expect anyone to take you seriously when you come out with shit like this?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"voting blue won't save you from fascism"

"OH SO YOU'RE SAYING TRUMP WILL??!?!?!?!?!!?!"

:this: is what liberalism with bazinga brain characteristics does to a mf

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago

I struggle with fellow trans people still blind to the obvious that THEY WILL NOT SAVE US! How long will these people last? A few years? It would take months for republicans to legally tear apart our rights, and democrats would bitch and moan, but still follow along to "the rules". Side with yourself.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its kinda funny... I remember the first two years of the Trump presidency where every month or so a bill would go up before Congress to repeal the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare)... and it would fail or get tabled every time.

In two years of the Biden presidency Roe v Wade was overturned.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Joe β€œI don’t think that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body” Biden, who voted to overturn Roe v Wade as a senator, somehow convinced people it’s entirely the β€˜other’ party’s fault and he would totally do something about it if he could.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm still banned from lemmygrad for being a filthy liberal πŸ˜•

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're an American, lol

If you're an American that votes, lmao

If you're an American that votes and doesn't write in the corpse of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, rolfmao

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Massachusetts Democrats are 'better' than Massachusetts Republicans because all the of those who weren't the type to be rabidly pro-trump boat dealership owners are simply running as Democrats because they'd never get elected otherwise. unless it's running for Governor. That should really speak volumes about the high background hitler-detector there's one inside every defense contractor who "votes democrat"

It's way better to transition in mass because the healthcare is actually free if you're poor as fuck, hope you have stable housing though because prepare for lots of state violence otherwise. It was democrats doing "clean sweeps" of the intersections where all the unhoused people lived. You know, destroying what little possessions they have and arresting them if they resist.

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