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More and more it is ending up in a circular argument where I am painted as unrealistic and my rhetoric (leftist rhetoric) is doing more harm than good because it promotes distrust in the only system we have to work with.

Noticing genocide is more socially unacceptable than committing it. Also, even recognizing a system is dehumanizing, don'tchaknow.

Thanks for reading my rant. It's probably a bit disjointed, but the frustration is boiling over and I needed to vent to the only group of people that seems to understand the hopelessness of being a disenfranchised leftist.

Right there with you. It's lonely enough already without having to worry about losing friends, and it hardly feels like I'm doing everything I can to fight back against the genociders when I can't even talk about it with my loved ones or get them on the right side.

For me it's the whole "the left is continuing to grow"

Liberals have been shifting to the right for years. The democratic president is endorsed by dick fucking cheyney, is running on more cruelty on the border, and has completely given up even discussing universal Healthcare, and has completely dropped the ball on abortion.

The liberals are objectively getting worse which is to be expected when their main strategy is justnconceding to republicans on everything.

And it doesn't even bother liberals, they'll tell you with a straight face that bidens the most pro environemnt pro union president in history you can tell them "were drilling more oil than anyone ever anywhere and every time there's a strike you liberals keep saying it's a Russian hoax to hurt democrats"

And they just roll their eyes and fucking act like they're so morally superior your real world examples don't count.

Just point out the last time any progressive legislation was ever written at the federal level was gay marriage and bring them crashing down to earth. The party has zero interest in actually using the power it has to do good for everyone, they are content to fuck over everyone that isn't in a blue state, and everyone in blue states will be fucked over eventually. This isn't a case of IF, it's a case of WHEN, and that only by reckoning with this reality and committing to working for the change that is sorely needed can marginalised peoples truly get on the correct strategic path. The current strategic path being pushed is a dead end and the liberals are content to continue mis-selling it to you because you choose to be naive as a result of the very understandable fear that reckoning with this instills.

Their claims that we are shortsighted and idealist are projections of the naivity they know they are choosing because it's the only hope they have.

This is also a failure of the left though btw. The left is not offering hope, and until the left finds a way to offer hope people will continue to choose naivity if it feels like a possible hope to them.

a lot of people want to believe someone is coming to save them.

Talking to some friends last night and people were like "it has no right to be this close!" With like a tinge of fear. Just want to yell whose fault is that? Why doesn't Harris do ANYTHING to address the mountains of concerns people have... No it's allllllll stupid magas.

Another literally made the but she'll do less genocide argument

I only have a few friends who aren't lib brain poisoned. they have been hard to find, as some of the "leftists" are just about aesthetics and don't engage with any theory, so the glom onto whatever lib talking point reaches them on a visceral level and then regurgitate it whenever the topic is broached. i.e. "the country has right to defend itself"

the genocide in the Middle East has been more galvanizing than most and I really can't engage honestly with those who downplay it to save their own asses from an imagined genocide of their comfortable, financially secure, upper income asses within the highly developed core. like, sorry reality can't compete with the untethered nightmares of libs.

More and more it is ending up in a circular argument where I am painted as unrealistic and my rhetoric (leftist rhetoric) is doing more harm than good because it promotes distrust in the only system we have to work with.

As much as I hate conservatives, you can at least level with them on the front of not trusting their government. They end up as hypocrites and fall in line with any real challenge to American hegemony, however, you can at least get them to admit the system doesn't function well for everyone.

watching them imply "fuck you, got mine" under the guise of civic duty

"The poors are poor because they have a poor mindset. Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos get up every morning and have a prosperity routine. But the poor choose to do otherwise. Siiiigh. Oh well. To each their own."

Dunno what level of comfort your friend is at, but it really does affect how they react. It's really hard to find real connection for those of us living in Anglo countries.

I feel you. My convos with libs seem like I'm talking to a computer chat bot, the empathy and concern that I'd expect from a real person isn't there. Honestly I usually just limit my lib convos to something simple. For real connections, I find that people become better the further you go from the group in power. So look at middle class cishet white men, and go 180 from there. It's pretty hard to find a genuine person with 3 or more of the above characteristics, although I'm sure that exceptions exist.

Cut ties with everyone who watches corporate media (i.e. regularly ingests Western propaganda) during campaign seasons. Don't waste your sanity on people participating in synthetic social hysteria.

You can probably talk to them again a month after the election - especially if their preferred capitalist oligarch "wins".

I’m sorry, that’s really hard.

But seriously it is painful when someone you know closely is this way.

This is me in my relationship right now. It's tough. 😔 Don't have a lot to say, except I empathize.